"14 Services" On Private Land

taffy056

Where is the loss to the landowner or PPC in this case? no loss no court. Wish I lived there to give em hell lol

Coupon-mad

2sides2everystory wrote: »

Rimmerworld, the enforcement may actually be an attempt to reinforce your rights as a paying resident...

Ask your landlord if you are a tenant or the developer if you are the owner if permits have been issued to distinguish residents' vehicles from rogue parkers.

Have to take issue with your post as you said it almost like it's a good thing for this OP?!

You are having a giraffe if you think residents permit systems in blocks of flats which do not have a rogue parking problem, are anything to do with stopping rogue parking.

The reason for this scheme is much, much more simple and nothing whatsoever to do with parking management. A PPC has wheedled its way into a new car parking development with a promise to the developer/landlord of a backhander for 'handling the parking' - when there's clearly no need. Exactly like a protection racket, with the PPC calling the shots.

The OP has 2 cars and so will other residents in the other flats. And in addition, all or many of the flat owners will sometimes need a taxi, delivery of shopping or furniture or a takeaway, a doctor, nurse or health visitor to call, the Post Office to deliver a parcel, a friend visiting, a son or daughter coming to take an elderly person out, family visiting at Christmas...

...the list is long and these will be the recipients of the fake PCNs and then a barrage of threatening letters.

As well as when the anniversary of the parking scheme comes around and they expect all flat owners to swap to a 'new permit'. Then anyone who doesn't jump when told to jump will be the recipients of fake PCNs. Seen it so oftern on here and on pepipoo - residents set up for a fall. Easy money. Nothing to do with rogue parkers at all.

And what if someone's permit slips down? Happens a lot but guess whether a PPC like this firm have a legit 'appeals process'?? Clue = NO.

And what about if the OP comes home and finds someone in his allocated space? He will have to park elsewhere and guess who will get that fake PCN? The OP will - how is that good parking management?

The OP should get together with other residents and reject any needless 'permit scheme' out of hand. He/she doesn't have to accept it. No-one is protecting the OP's interests or 'reinforcing his rights' with such a scheme; in the longer term a PPC will only make money when residents and visitors fall victim.

HO87

Rather than looking at the web address supplied above. You should also take a look at this version http://www.14services.com/. This is site is even more entertaining than the link provided by the OP (IMHO) - take a look at the gallery pages in particular. I have linked to this page previously

Homeguard aka 14 Services are a member of the BPA Approved Operator Scheme and it is run by George Cox and an Elizabeth Placidly - although only the latter now holds a directorship. She is also a director of other companies - Enforcement Collections Ltd (shown as non-trading), Dog Handler Ltd and Titanic Remembered Ltd (a memento company) which folded in May 2011.

George used to live just north of Bristol and operated the business through a Mailboxes Etc drop in Westbury-on-Trym (he is the dog handler to be seen in the Gallery and the Slide Show on the link above).

give_them_FA

Yes, Rimmer, you need to get together with other residents and get rid of these people as soon as possible. They are parasites who serve only themselves and the only ones getting tickets are liable to be residents/friends/guests. It is like the supermarkets, where the parking cowboys don't give a monkeys if the shop loses customers so long as they extract their pound of flesh. The same will apply to you.

Rimmerworld

There is a residents meeting soon. Can't see it doing much as the developer has completely ignored our input on the matter so far.

I posted this thread on our facebook page so maybe some of them have read this thread(and the others!) and are spreading the ignore message!

Edit: It looks like there is no refuting the decision..... This comes from the construction manager on our development.

Dear xxxxxx

Thank you for your email. The illegal parking notices are currently being erected across the development and you will shortly receive a letter from the contractor who will be policing this activity for the foreseeable future.
...
In terms of visitor parking there is no visitor parking on the development; this is a restriction that was applied during the planning process.

I trust this clarifies the situation, please let me know if you require any further information.

Regards

xxxxxxx

give_them_FA

I don't know how many residents there are. But if they are ALL told to ignore any tickets, the problem will resolve itself. The parking company won't bother to patrol as it will lose money (paying DVLA and postage) and the developer will get no kick-back from them. Job done!

angel_islington

give_them_FA wrote: »

I don't know how many residents there are. But if they are ALL told to ignore any tickets, the problem will resolve itself. The parking company won't bother to patrol as it will lose money (paying DVLA and postage) and the developer will get no kick-back from them. Job done!

Good idea although actually getting people to do it when push comes to shove and tickets start getting handed out is very difficult.

Worth checking the details on the signs when they go up, make sure that they don't start using naughty words like fine or penalty.

In addition, we had a similar issue a year or so back. Letter from developer saying that clamping signs were going up, which they did after a while. We wrote to them, they didn't get what we were saying (or pleaded ignorance...), the usual story. Haven't seen ONE parking 'agent' in all that time. Touch wood they don't start appearing now I've said that. I remember the letter said something along the lines of 'commercial' vehicles were not allowed to park on the development. Really? Does that sound stupid to you?

Rimmerworld

angel_islington wrote: »

Good idea although actually getting people to do it when push comes to shove and tickets start getting handed out is very difficult.

Worth checking the details on the signs when they go up, make sure that they don't start using naughty words like fine or penalty.

The signs(there are loads of them!!! lol one every 5 metres or so!) is exactly as posted in one of my previous posts.

car-park-enforcement.co.uk/Signage

Yeah, I can't see everyone ignoring them tbh, I will, but tricky to advise loads of people to do the same.

angel_islington

Rimmerworld wrote: »

The signs(there are loads of them!!! lol one every 5 metres or so!) is exactly as posted in one of my previous posts.

car-park-enforcement.co.uk/Signage

Yeah, I can't see everyone ignoring them tbh, I will, but tricky to advise loads of people to do the same.

Didn't see that sorry.

The sign says you 'agree' to the charges. Not sure where they stand legally if you write to them, or the developer saying you DONT agree to the charges.

They don't talk about clamping which is a good thing. Tickets are easy to ignore, clamps less so.

Coupon-mad

Oh I did love that email from the developer, calling them 'illegal signs'! :rotfl:

Rimmerworld I would reply saying thanks, glad you think they are illegal signs too and I hereby revoke any implied 'consent' to recognise any fake PCN I receive and will not participate in any 'permit scheme'. Make it clear that you are not a rogue parker but you object to rogue parking firms which have no authority whatsoever to issue fines, despite the hilarious claims on their garish website. Say you are amazed they have allowed them onsite. Keep a copy of your letter.

Ask what is the position regarding removal vans, food or furniture deliveries, taxis, ambulances, dare I say hearses, & visiting doctors/nurses then? Or the Post Office, or the AA or RAC or local garage truck if a car breaks down on site? Are they all going to get a daft fake PCN?!

And what is the position if a car is in the wrong allocated space and the resident has no option but to park elsewhere until said car moves?

You must sort this out, you need to know if only to tip off other residents about what is going to happen here. THEY and their visitors will get the fake PCNs and they do NOT have to accept a permit scheme nor recognise this parasite PPC onsite. The reply could be interesting for you to raise at the residents' meeting - especially if the developer actually believes that a company can be 'legally authorised' to issue penalties/fines and that a resident or anyone parking on private land can be doing something 'illegal'! What crime exactly I wonder, seeing as it's not trespassing and that's only a civil - not criminal - matter anyway?