Ar rant (with apologies) - driving in snow.

blue_haddock

i've been out and whilst yes conditions are precarious its mainly to do with idiots who dont know how to drive in snow.

vax2002

As 7 drivers have realised tonight, you can not turn off the M1 on to a unploughed slip road at 50mph, 5 are 4x4 vehicles !

scooby75

Notmyrealname wrote: »

In whose mind? The road was wet, not covered in ice. There is no reason NOT to go over 60. The sheer number of people who seem to think you have to slow down to 50 on a clear motorway just because there's a bit of snow on the hard shoulder or embankments is beyond belief.

Part of the reason motorways end up getting blocked because of snow is morons crawling up them needlessly.



Copper probably shared the same view as the lorry driver - sick of morons who think a light dusting of snow on the verges is a reason to do 50MPH on the gritted completely snow and ice free motorway.

Oh here we go, another smarta**e comment from someone who was not there and has no posession of the facts but thinks he knows them anyway.

The motorway, not just the verge, were covered in thick sludge. It was slippery - I saw at least two cars changing lanes slide on the road. So the speed I was doing was very much appropriate for the circumstances. And the lorry driver I referred to even at this speed was too close. I could not even see the cabin or the wheels. It was completely inappropriate and downright dangerous. And even if I was going too slow (which I was not), there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of behaviour.

mikey72

You usually find there's always an idiot in a truck in your boot that thinks they can always drive better than you.

real1314

Notmyrealname wrote: »

In whose mind? The road was wet, not covered in ice. There is no reason NOT to go over 60. The sheer number of people who seem to think you have to slow down to 50 on a clear motorway just because there's a bit of snow on the hard shoulder or embankments is beyond belief.

Part of the reason motorways end up getting blocked because of snow is morons crawling up them needlessly.



Copper probably shared the same view as the lorry driver - sick of morons who think a light dusting of snow on the verges is a reason to do 50MPH on the gritted completely snow and ice free motorway.

Can you tell me next week's winning lottery numbers? :cool:

TrickyWicky

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

To be fair they don't have to. It's up to you when joining to match the speed of the traffic and join.

When I was taught to drive, I was explicitly instructed on dual carriageways you must ALWAYS move over where a slip road enters.

In fairness I think you can see how I applied that logic to motorways.

When the slip road is extremely short however and you have a bloody great lorry blocking it, a car in front, another one up your ****... What is the logical conclusion?

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Why should the? They have the right of way. It is up to vehicles JOINING the motorway to give way to those already on it.

As above.

Perhaps the reason they don't move over is because they have a car alongside them you can't see or didn't that occur to you?

Perhaps of they also got off their mobiles they WOULD see incoming vehicles. Are you supporting the mis-use of a mobile while driving?

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD LEARN TO DRIVE. Its obvious you don't know how to join a motorway correctly.

Perhaps you should learn some manners and stop shouting. Sure, ok so I was wrong. I've checked the H/Code and it says something different to what I thought. DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SHOUT BACK AT YOU? !!!!.

I suppose you're also one of those who believes flashing headlights is purely to warn other road users of your presence too. Even the H/Code says you should use your judgement on that.

Besides for joining the motorway the H/Code says "You should" give priority to traffic already on the motorway. It doesn't say "You MUST" or even quote a law. That being the case, as above, when you're sandwiched between two vehicles building up speed, have no method of escape, the lorry driver is on the phone ignoring everything, I think its only fair that the d!ck in the lorry actually gets a grip of reality and moves over. Don't you?

mildred1978

TrickyWicky wrote: »

As for lorry drivers.. the english ones are normally ok but the foreign ones are ar$£wipes. Round these parts they refuse to move into the middle lane when you're trying to merge onto the motorway, most are usually on the phone etc. Then at night they're usually crawling around here looking for a place to park up and congest the place.

by foreign do you mean Scottish, Welsh and Irish?

lesalanos

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Besides for joining the motorway the H/Code says "You should" give priority to traffic already on the motorway. It doesn't say "You MUST" or even quote a law. That being the case, as above, when you're sandwiched between two vehicles building up speed, have no method of escape, the lorry driver is on the phone ignoring everything, I think its only fair that the d!ck in the lorry actually gets a grip of reality and moves over. Don't you?

You should not get sandwiched between cars, always leave enough room between you and the car in front.

TrickyWicky

mildred1978 wrote: »

by foreign do you mean Scottish, Welsh and Irish?

No. Besides, how do you know I'm not in Scotland or Wales? :T

lesalanos wrote: »

You should not get sandwiched between cars, always leave enough room between you and the car in front.

I do. So with a lorry right next to me stopping me from entering the motorway what do you want me to do? - shoot in front of it and do something just as stupid as what you're suggesting?

Didn't think that out very well did you.

Nearly_Old

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Besides for joining the motorway the H/Code says "You should" give priority to traffic already on the motorway. It doesn't say "You MUST" or even quote a law.

Whilst there is no specifc "law" all regulatory road markings and signs have defined meanings and Give Way markings are covered in Chapter 5 of the Traffic Signs Manual as follows:

At Give Way junctions the following may be used:
i) Line Marking to diagram 1003 (the normal dashed double lines); or
ii) Line Marking to diagram 1003 + triangular road marking to diagram 1023; or
iii) Line Marking to diagram 1003 + triangular road marking to diagram 1023 + upright signs to diagram 602.

Therefore Line Marking 1003 on it's own (the minimum requirement) constitutes the legal requirement to Give Way as the other marking and sign may be added.

There is a further requirement:
On high speed dual carriageway roads where traffic either joins from a slip road (at a grade separated junction) or there is a merging taper the marking to diagram 1003 is replaced with a marking to diagram 1010.

All the above requirements are incorporated in the various Highway Design Manuals to ensure that as far as possible there is a consistent approach across the UK.

Therefore legally the line marking between an acceleration lane and the adjacent Lane 1 is a GIVE WAY requirement. In the event of an accident it is highly likely that the driver entering will be prosecuted for DWCA.

Perhaps your instructor was (quite rightly) teaching you courteous driving skills but legally the requirement is for the joining traffic to Give Way.