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FBaby

I have written this on another thread, but people's own GPs would be the worse people to decide on someone's ability to work, for three reasons (at least!):
- The main one is that a GP is trained NEVER to doubt what a patient tells him/her. That is a very important aspect of the medical ethos. So if you tell your GP that you are severely depressed, can't get up in the morning, that you have suicidal tendencies, he will take the stand that all this is true. If you take those that would make things up to get benefits (oh yes they will....) and those whose own mental state might mean that they see their own situation much worse than what it really is from a medical stand, then that opens a serious risk of lack of objectivity especially when GPs start to find some medical attachment to their patients.
- GPs only have 10 minutes to see their patients and are only trained and expected to assess medical conditions and the treatments they require, not the social concequences of their illness/disorder.
- Most GPs do not care much about the financial state of the NHS, let alone the rest the DWP. They want to get on with their work and not run late clinics. They certainly don't want to do with patient's complaints... many will sign whatever just to keep their patients going and quiet.

JillyJolly_2

woodbine wrote: »

not always
i have a severe condition but rarely if ever see my gp about it as theres little or nothing she can do,also stopped seeing consultants now as they have all said they cant do any more for me as i have tried all the medication they have and this is as good as it gets

Yes they can be stuff done about it especially professionals who deal in your case, you just have to see the right people or the right doctor, allot rather brush things aside but if you find right doctor or get professional help from people who solely deal with the problems you suffer with, then you got help, you just need to reach out.

It seems to me the people you have seen have not been that helpful, soon as they feel they can't do anything they give in on you, from experience there is other teams and people who would never do this, you just need to get the right people.

gypsyjanet wrote: »

I pointed out to my GP that the ESA system was doing a lot of damage to the NHS. She asked me to clarify why I said this. I told her that under the old IC system she would sign me off sick indefinately, I would claim the relevant benefit entittlements and only have to see her when my condition required it( my problems are not going to get better) However the new ESA system requires me to submit sick notes and I have now been doing this every few months for three years now. Each time I go to my GP for a sick note the cost is being covered by the NHS and not the DWP. Not suprising then that she wrote me out a six month sick note !!!!

What ESA are you on? You only have to hand in sick notes for the first 6 months, assessment phase after that you don't need sick notes if you went onto main phase seems your being messed around or don't get ESA.

rogerblack

JillyJolly wrote: »

Yes they can be stuff done about it especially professionals who deal in your case, you just have to see the right people or the right doctor, allot rather brush things aside but if you find right doctor or get professional help from people who solely deal with the problems you suffer with, then you got help, you just need to reach out.
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Not all conditions are curable, or effectively treatable.

JillyJolly_2

They are not know but what I'm saying is there is always people there to help or don't just give up on you, allot of them do just give up but it's about seeing the right people. Been through 5 teams, only one stuck through things, and seen 9 doctors and only one was actually helpful. It's hard but there is people out there.

rotoguys

Adereterial wrote: »

They take their jobs very seriously and spend considerable time over every decision. They don't make decisions lightly.

Since when??

If they have a sick note in front of them signed by the GP that states a certain serious mental health condition, that to most 'normal' people would be accepted that they cannot and should not work and a report from ATOS that clearly states that the claimant 'does not and never has, suffered from any form of mental illness', what would you think the decision would be?

ESA claim denied - advised to claim JSA.

It happened - it happened to me!
I decided to challenge it and produced evidence going back years to the current date that I was and always had suffered from a mental illness.

Result on reconsideration - Support Group - 3 years.

Don't talk to me about careful decision making - what ATOS says is treated as gospel even if there is evidence disproving it.

cit_k

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

Many people report that the doctor (HCP) didn't read the evidence (like ESA50) in advance of the medical and clearly had no idea who they were going to be assessing - sounds like in your case due procedure may well have been followed although I'm not sure their job is to provide medical advice.

No, they should not be providing medical advice, as they are not there to diagnose or perform a normal medical examination - therefore any advice would not be based upon normal medical protocol or procedure.

Invalidation

kofiika wrote: »

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid in. the NHS, in some cases for many years.Search for
(sack Atos Healthcare) and sign petition.I cant post link a new to forum so if you agree and can post link please do.

"We" ??

Who "We", Tonto ??

Invalidation

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Surely someone with a medical condition that is so serious as to stop them from working should be seeing their doctor regularly anyway? The fact that the doctor might be issuing a sick/fit note as well is only a small and comparatively unimportant part of the process.

You really dont understand do you?

Ive been 'Officially' disabled since 1993 yet once told I was 'Disabled for life' I was, to all intents and purposes, dumped by the system. No interest, follow ups or 'Continuing Care' offered.
"Theres nothing we can do" I was told, patted on the head and had my meds changed and in the last 6 years after moving to my new address, Ive seen the Doctor twice, I cant even remember the last time. And I cant even change my Doctor as all others are out of my area.
I havent had a 'sick note' since 1994.

I now simply exist, waiting to die. No one cares (other than my wife) except to try and snatch back some money off me soon.

seven-day-weekend

Invalidation wrote: »

You really dont understand do you?

Ive been 'Officially' disabled since 1993 yet once told I was 'Disabled for life' I was, to all intents and purposes, dumped by the system. No interest, follow ups or 'Continuing Care' offered.
"Theres nothing we can do" I was told, patted on the head and had my meds changed and in the last 6 years after moving to my new address, Ive seen the Doctor twice, I cant even remember the last time. And I cant even change my Doctor as all others are out of my area.
I havent had a 'sick note' since 1994.

I now simply exist, waiting to die. No one cares (other than my wife) except to try and snatch back some money off me soon.

Maybe you might feel better about yourself if you changed your user name to something positive

Invalidation

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Maybe you might feel better about yourself if you changed your user name to something positive

Whatever makes you think I dont feel good about myself?

If I didnt feel good about myself I would have topped myself years ago, after realising the system doesnt care or work.

And if you think that by changing one's Nicname makes one feel better, I would suggest you dont understand the problem. (Apart from the fact that Ive had that nic since Demon Internet first started, years ago)