DWP Recruiting Again - 2012

gettingready

Janabiyah-Jane wrote: »

A junior manager starts on about £16000 a year, therefore the public sector really isn't that bad.

Sorry but in London this is a starvation wage really not a salary.

My last job was 43k per year and it was public sector too but not even a managerial role. I was a trainer (IT) for a large public sector organisation. So DWP pays absolute peanuts....

Esoog

Janabiyah-Jane wrote: »

A junior manager starts on about £16000 a year, therefore the public sector really isn't that bad.

I'd argue that an Civil Servant AO probably has more responsibilities than a junior manager in a dept. store in relative terms, how many Dept. Store junior managers are making benefit decisions or such like?

Fair enough a junior manager may have to sort a few shift rotas or tell off some people for being late, but AOs (I'm using them as I believe the starting pay for an AO is now circa £16k?) in my opinion have much more responsibility; for instance the same woman I was talking about earlier were she to start her job today, would instantly be responsible for the payment of 220 individuals and have numerous (and I mean numerous!) management checks to undertake etc etc.

EO may be a "junior manager" in CS terms; but it's all relative.

agrinnall

drwho2011 wrote: »

London district's were 50, most others 100. I have readjusted based on the PCS article though so 41.6r to 1.

There's a post from me somewhere on here (too much to wade through now ) where I said that I had added up the numbers in each of the regions to get a total of 2400. I wonder if that means the number in each region has been inflated by 100% if the actual number of jobs through external recruitment is only 1200?

drwho2011

agrinnall wrote: »

There's a post from me somewhere on here (too much to wade through now ) where I said that I had added up the numbers in each of the regions to get a total of 2400. I wonder if that means the number in each region has been inflated by 100% if the actual number of jobs through external recruitment is only 1200?

I know in the London district I applied within was listed as having 50 vacancies, when I left in July 2011 they had about 14 EO's left on contract extensions (having lost 450 FTA AO/EO staff in the past 18 mths).

So I would assume the vacancy number is just a guess of what will be needed, and the PCS number is somewhat unrealistic and that there will be more than 1200 recruited.

robster30

Esoog wrote: »

I'd argue that an Civil Servant AO probably has more responsibilities than a junior manager in a dept. store in relative terms, how many Dept. Store junior managers are making benefit decisions or such like?

Fair enough a junior manager may have to sort a few shift rotas or tell off some people for being late, but AOs (I'm using them as I believe the starting pay for an AO is now circa £16k?) in my opinion have much more responsibility; for instance the same woman I was talking about earlier were she to start her job today, would instantly be responsible for the payment of 220 individuals and have numerous (and I mean numerous!) management checks to undertake etc etc.

EO may be a "junior manager" in CS terms; but it's all relative.

Im sorry I cant agree with this at all. Do you work in the job centre Esoog..?

robster30

On topic:

Rumours of the second test in classroom conditions before interview are in response to so many people getting help with the online test and a unsually high frequency of very high scores.

I have not read any emails confirming this but I would not be suprised if it happens tbh.

Janabiyah-Jane

Esoog wrote: »

I'd argue that an Civil Servant AO probably has more responsibilities than a junior manager in a dept. store in relative terms, how many Dept. Store junior managers are making benefit decisions or such like?

Fair enough a junior manager may have to sort a few shift rotas or tell off some people for being late, but AOs (I'm using them as I believe the starting pay for an AO is now circa £16k?) in my opinion have much more responsibility; for instance the same woman I was talking about earlier were she to start her job today, would instantly be responsible for the payment of 220 individuals and have numerous (and I mean numerous!) management checks to undertake etc etc.

EO may be a "junior manager" in CS terms; but it's all relative.

I am working as a selling assistant in the same department store on approximately £13000 PA and I find the job far more tiring and less rewarding than the job I had as an EO for the Job Centre. The responsibilities are not the same as the job centre for a junior manager however there are challenges and responsibilities that are equal to those of an EO and you take your home with you, something I never did as an EO...

However I guess its best if we agree to disagree

gettingready

robster30 wrote: »

On topic:

Rumours of the second test in classroom conditions before interview are in response to so many people getting help with the online test and a unsually high frequency of very high scores.

I have not read any emails confirming this but I would not be suprised if it happens tbh.

NOt rumours, I have definitely read it either on the DWP site or in one of the emails.. Will have a dig later on and see if I can find where I have seen that. Defnitely something about paper test being available at interview.

Xena_007

The link says that "management will use the exercise to create waiting lists to enable them to recruit later in the year IF THE NEED ARISES" so am I write in assuming that our applications could be worthless.

Btw forgive me for being a bit dippy but what the hell does FTA mean in the scripts?

tinshed

It did mention somewhere regards a paper test at interview. I hope this is the case as it would certainly weed out some of the less savoury characters who maybe had friends and family helping them out. Sadly those that were honest enough to complete it as per instruction may lose out.