Daytime running lights

Trebor16

pitkin2020 wrote: »

SO what you saying is then BY YOUR WORDS is that people will become reliant on seeing this DRL's and could basically miss you if your car doesn't have them? So the moneysaving top tip would not have them?

So you don't think that some drivers will modify their behaviour to just look for a source of light instead of looking properly?

pitkin2020 wrote:

Can you still not see why your argument is still flawed, everything your saying is the reason to get them. As clearly by your logic without them cars are going to become invisible but the general population of drivers will become incompetent without having a light to lead them!!

Not just my "words", Lum thinks so too, as do a number of concerned bodies involved in road safety. But only your flawed logic could generate such nonsense.

We come back round to the simple fact that if people need lights on in daylight hours to help them see big lumps of mobile metal then you have to question if they have the correct appititude and are actually fit to drive.

pitkin2020 wrote:

Thats why I think they should only be fitted the correct way!!

If you want to waste money by fitting something that will have a negligible benefit, then fill your boots.

pitkin2020 wrote:

Thanks for the insight do you drive a prius by any chance.............

At least my eyes are open to the dubious benefits of DRL's. You on the over hand can't seem to make up your mind on them, as evidenced by your easrlier posts in this thread.

Trebor16

pitkin2020 wrote: »

ifs and buts though to be fair. If you have driven around marsh barton industrial estate you'll find they just pull out in front of you whether you have lights on or not, its like running the gauntlet lol.

Thanks for giving a clear demonstration of the lack of effectiveness of DRL's.:D

pitkin2020

Trebor16 wrote: »

Thanks for giving a clear demonstration of the lack of effectiveness of DRL's.:D

I never mentioned the effectiveness of DRL's I said lights on or lights off on that particular industrial estate with peoples driving habits currently they don't care they still pull out on you. I don't have DRLs on my car so how could I comment if they would make a difference to me personally??

The point is and you have made it yourself that if people are focusing on DRL's (or going to be focusing on them in time) then not having them you are going to be less noticed. With new cars having them as standard more and more of them are going to be on the road. You are saying they are not effective then you are also saying that people will only notice cars with DRL's so which is it??

I have never said they are the only solution if a solution at all but if they have some effect then in my opinion they would be worth the very low cost of having them fitted.

pitkin2020

Trebor16 wrote: »

At least my eyes are open to the dubious benefits of DRL's. You on the over hand can't seem to make up your mind on them, as evidenced by your easrlier posts in this thread.

Your eyes aren't open though are they are they clearly very shut and your being very narrow minded. They are coming in as law whether you, me or anyone else likes it. By your own admission (not mine) peoples driving habits will change and they will rely on looking for light sources so by not fitting them you will clearly become invisible like motorcyclists and pedestrians. Thats certainly how your argument is sounding!!

Trebor16

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Your eyes aren't open though are they are they clearly very shut and your being very narrow minded. They are coming in as law whether you, me or anyone else likes it. By your own admission (not mine) peoples driving habits will change and they will rely on looking for light sources so by not fitting them you will clearly become invisible like motorcyclists and pedestrians. Thats certainly how your argument is sounding!!

Thank you for clearly demonstrating why vulnerable road users will be more at risk as a result of fitting DRL's.

pitkin2020

Trebor16 wrote: »

Thank you for clearly demonstrating why vulnerable road users will be more at risk as a result of fitting DRL's.

I didn't demonstrate that, thats how your mind is turning it, you are the one who seriously believes road users will actually stop using their eyes and instincts to access the situation.

DRL'S are just another driving like any other driving aid, ABS, power steering, reversing sensors etc. They AID you they are not the be all end all and you use them in addition to your own eyes, instinct and common sense.

anotherbaldrick

pitkin2020 wrote: »

...and that driver that pulled out wouldn't have a leg to stand on. the Highway Code states "Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights in an attempt to intimidate other road users". Flashing to let people out of junctions etc is just a bad habit

It,s a great comfort knowing he hasn't a leg to stand on as you lie in your hospital bed and contemplate the benefits of daytime running lights.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

The answer is simple - these lights improve road safety during daylight hours. The lighting makes cars more visible to pedestrians crossing the road, and to other motorists.
In fact, studies carried out by the European Commission and the Department for Transport have both found that daytime running lights can reduce accidents and casualties during daytime hours.

New cars must be fitted with DRLs to comply with the daytime running lights law. However, many drivers have been fitting them to older cars to take advantage of their benefits. If you're going to do this, follow these simple guidelines:

• Make sure the lights comply with safety standards - the Ring Daytime Running Lights are marked ECE R87 so you can be sure they're street legal
• Only use your DRLs during the day - they will dazzle other drivers at night
• Most DRLs automatically switch off when headlights are turned on. If yours don't, make sure you manually switch them off when it gets dark

the LED drl's use less power consuption, 5w typically, this doesnt normally affect fuel usage.

truckers put all sorts of lamps and green red blue leds on the front of their trucks to make them more visable have done for years, i dont drive about looking for them on the motorways so to say we'll all drive about being light led is an excuse to jusify a rant about the DRL's.

pitkin2020

anotherbaldrick wrote: »

It,s a great comfort knowing he hasn't a leg to stand on as you lie in your hospital bed and contemplate the benefits of daytime running lights.

Of course if the driver didn't have DRL's then no one would be in hospital.........bit dramatic and great conclusion that someone would end up in hospital. In all honesty if the driver who pulled out ended up being in hospital it would be no ones fault but there own!!!

It would still be the fault of the driver who pulled out into oncoming traffic regardless if the car coming had DRL's on, side lights, headlamps, music on or was waving a white flag.

pitkin2020

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

The answer is simple - these lights improve road safety during daylight hours. The lighting makes cars more visible to pedestrians crossing the road, and to other motorists.
In fact, studies carried out by the European Commission and the Department for Transport have both found that daytime running lights can reduce accidents and casualties during daytime hours.

New cars must be fitted with DRLs to comply with the daytime running lights law. However, many drivers have been fitting them to older cars to take advantage of their benefits. If you're going to do this, follow these simple guidelines:

• Make sure the lights comply with safety standards - the Ring Daytime Running Lights are marked ECE R87 so you can be sure they're street legal
• Only use your DRLs during the day - they will dazzle other drivers at night
• Most DRLs automatically switch off when headlights are turned on. If yours don't, make sure you manually switch them off when it gets dark

the LED drl's use less power consuption, 5w typically, this doesnt normally affect fuel usage.

truckers put all sorts of lamps and green red blue leds on the front of their trucks to make them more visable have done for years, i dont drive about looking for them on the motorways so to say we'll all drive about being light led is an excuse to jusify a rant about the DRL's.

:T:T:T most sensible post on this whole sorry thread. Clearly though there are a few that know more, I suspect these people were dead set against seat belts when they were introduced and even proper headlamps instead of the ancient carbide lamps.