Daytime running lights

Trebor16

pitkin2020 wrote: »

I didn't demonstrate that, thats how your mind is turning it, you are the one who seriously believes road users will actually stop using their eyes and instincts to access the situation.

There are numerous road safety bodies who have concerns about DRL's. so I am not alone in my concerns. The Department of Transport were also concerned that the European Commission had overstated the potential reductions in serious accidents. They also wanted more research to determine if there would be an adverse affect on motorcycle conspicuity.

The Department of Transport also expressed particular concerns about the safety of vulnerable road users.

pitkin2020 wrote:

DRL'S are just another driving like any other driving aid, ABS, power steering, reversing sensors etc. They AID you they are not the be all end all and you use them in addition to your own eyes, instinct and common sense.

DRL's are not a driving aid and to compare them with power steering and ABS is nonsense. They do nothing for the driver whatsoever. The biggest aid a driver has is his situational awareness,
good hazard perception and observations. DRL's will not enhance these skills one iota.

Trebor16

pitkin2020 wrote: »

:T:T:T most sensible post on this whole sorry thread. Clearly though there are a few that know more, I suspect these people were dead set against seat belts when they were introduced and even proper headlamps instead of the ancient carbide lamps.

What a silly thing to say! Just because some people raise concerns about DRL's doesn't mean they have concerns about other safety enhancements. To even suggest such a thing is nonsense.

anotherbaldrick

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Of course if the driver didn't have DRL's then no one would be in hospital.........bit dramatic and great conclusion that someone would end up in hospital. In all honesty if the driver who pulled out ended up being in hospital it would be no ones fault but there own!!!

It would still be the fault of the driver who pulled out into oncoming traffic regardless if the car coming had DRL's on, side lights, headlamps, music on or was waving a white flag.

Rather than pontificating about the ins and outs of traffic regulations better to face up to reality and acknowledge that if someone thinks they are being given a flash they will go and if they get it badly wrong it will not be just them that gets canned.

Road_Hog

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Thanks for the insight do you drive a prius by any chance.............

Why would I want to drive a battery car?

If I wanted one of them then I'd buy a milk float.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Trebor16 wrote: »

There are numerous road safety bodies who have concerns about DRL's. so I am not alone in my concerns. The Department of Transport were also concerned that the European Commission had overstated the potential reductions in serious accidents. They also wanted more research to determine if there would be an adverse affect on motorcycle conspicuity.

The Department of Transport also expressed particular concerns about the safety of vulnerable road users.



DRL's are not a driving aid and to compare them with power steering and ABS is nonsense. They do nothing for the driver whatsoever. The biggest aid a driver has is his situational awareness,
good hazard perception and observations. DRL's will not enhance these skills one iota.

DRL's highlight refelctive signs number plates and high vis jackets traffic cones bycicle reflectors in poor light daytime hours, they AID the driver to an extent.

there always a + and - to everything introduced in motoring, like the use of ABS when it was introduce all them years ago, when the airbag was introduced, all fears over safety, now we look for them as standard safety features. its just another thing for the negative people out ther to dispell over.

i approve of them given that their used in the correct manor and have E marked unit fitted.

pitkin2020

Trebor your arguments go around in circles so its pointless continuing to go around in these circles so i'll end on this as in reality I came asking for kits and fittings. I have no interest in fitting them because they look "cool", mine is purely to make the car stand out a little more. As for motorcyclists, pedestrians having DRL's on the front of the car wouldn't make any difference to my driving habits so I will also be aware of whats going on around me.

You argue that motorcycles and pedestrians will become less visible in daylight due to a sea of DRL's. You also claim that driving habits will change and drivers will only be able to distinguish if something is coming towards them if it has a light on it, again during daylight and will probably miss anything without a light.

As DRL's are here and are being put on all new cars by your definition and the fact you think driving habits are going to change anything that doesn't have a light on it is going to be missed. So cars along with pedestrians and motorbikes that don't have lights on during the day will be missed so more accidents are likely to happen.

In an ideal world cars wouldn't need DRL's, high level brake lights etc and lorries wouldn't need the new cab/trailer reflectives they have introduced. I mean seriously who the F*** can miss a lorry!!
People would use their instincts, common sense and perceptional awareness to check, recheck and then move off but humans are humans and mistakes get made.

I have not once said in this thread that I am all for DRL's, I have never said they will reduce accidents, save lives or any of that gumpf. If they do help another driver to notice you at the last minute before pulling out on you then great. Nothing will replace will looking properly before moving. Nothing will replace anticipating what the driver in front of you, coming towards or about to pull out is going to do.

anotherbaldrick

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

DRL's highlight refelctive signs number plates and high vis jackets traffic cones bycicle reflectors in poor light daytime hours, they AID the driver to an extent.

there always a + and - to everything introduced in motoring, like the use of ABS when it was introduce all them years ago, when the airbag was introduced, all fears over safety, now we look for them as standard safety features. its just another thing for the negative people out ther to dispell over.

i approve of them given that their used in the correct manor and have E marked unit fitted.

DRL'S do nothing for the visibility of the driver , they do not have that range or power. they are totally an observation aid for other drivers to make them aware of you . In poor daylight conditions put your headlights on.

pitkin2020

anotherbaldrick wrote: »

Rather than pontificating about the ins and outs of traffic regulations better to face up to reality and acknowledge that if someone thinks they are being given a flash they will go and if they get it badly wrong it will not be just them that gets canned.

Exactly the same can be said if someone has their headlights, especially HID's. If the driver goes over a bump it could appear as if they are flashing so for people to claim its only likely to happen with DRL's is ridiculous. Blimey the driver could catch the stalk whilst indicating/putting the wipers on and actually flash by accident.

anotherbaldrick

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Exactly the same can be said if someone has their headlights, especially HID's. If the driver goes over a bump it could appear as if they are flashing so for people to claim its only likely to happen with DRL's is ridiculous. Blimey the driver could catch the stalk whilst indicating/putting the wipers on and actually flash by accident.

I have a car with DRL's and the problem is that the light beam is trimmed by design so that it has a flat top to the beam. It also so happens that the beam cut off height is set so as not to dazzle oncoming drivers but this means it strikes at eye level a waiting driver about 30 yards ahead . At this point the waiting driver can get a flash from the lights which is the effect of viewing the hot part of the beam as you approach, he has not been flashed, but he thinks he has. Any bumps or humps in the road can greatly exascerbate this.
It's a different situation to headlights

pitkin2020

anotherbaldrick wrote: »

I have a car with DRL's and the problem is that the light beam is trimmed by design so that it has a flat top to the beam. It also so happens that the beam cut off height is set so as not to dazzle oncoming drivers but this means it strikes at eye level a waiting driver about 30 yards ahead . At this point the waiting driver can get a flash from the lights which is the effect of viewing the hot part of the beam as you approach, he has not been flashed, but he thinks he has. Any bumps or humps in the road can greatly exascerbate this.
It's a different situation to headlights

Not different at all HID's have a ballast to keep them level so they can "flash" when going over a bump, they are also brighter than DRL's so will have more of a flash than any DRL's will. You can certainly notice them more when being followed as they will continually flash almost like a police car where as I can honestly say I have never noticed that when being followed with a car running DRL's.

I'm not saying they may not give a "flash" type effect off but headlights can also give that appearance too.