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LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

i have a ni card. i also can show i have been in receipt of benefits.

That is not proof. How did you claim benefits?

You have to have an original birth certificate and a p45 or p60

OR a passport

Then on top of that two proofs of address.

scooby088

I only show driving licence as proof of address, with full birth certificate as my proofs if anything else is required I use a utility bill and the agencies I have signed up with are fine with that. Oh and I use my NI card which has seen better days.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

That is not proof. How did you claim benefits?

You have to have an original birth certificate and a p45 or p60

OR a passport

Then on top of that two proofs of address.

well obviously i provided a p45. however as i am not living on fresh air i obviously provided enough for them.
out of curiosity i have been looking online and according to the documents related to the law i found employers dont legally have to do a check. they only have to check to prevent themselves from facing prosecution if an employee turns out to be someone who cant work in the uk. many large employers just check everyone to avoid being accused of discrimination. in my case i have always worked for very small companies who use their common sense and realise i am not from a foreign country. i am sure if there is any kind of doubt about a potential employee they will do the checks.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

well obviously i provided a p45. however as i am not living on fresh air i obviously provided enough for them.
out of curiosity i have been looking online and according to the documents related to the law i found employers dont legally have to do a check. they only have to check to prevent themselves from facing prosecution if an employee turns out to be someone who cant work in the uk. many large employers just check everyone to avoid being accused of discrimination. in my case i have always worked for very small companies who use their common sense and realise i am not from a foreign country. i am sure if there is any kind of doubt about a potential employee they will do the checks.

Ok if you say they do not have to check.

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[FONT="Arial]Inaccordance with the amendment to the Immigration, Asylum, and Nationality [/FONT]

[FONT="Arial]Act2006, effective from 29 February 2008, you are required to provide proof of [/FONT]

[FONT="Arial]theRight to Work in the UKfrom the two lists below. These detail the documents which provide evidence ofthis right. [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]List 1 [/FONT]

Any [FONT="Arial]one [/FONT]of the documents listed below will provide the necessaryevidence of the right to work

in the UK. The document provided must bethe [FONT="Arial]original.[/FONT]

• A passport showing thatthe holder is a British citizen, or has the right of abode in the United

Kingdom.

• A document showing thatthe holder is a national of a European Economic Area country* or

Switzerland. This must be a nationalpassport or national identity card.

• A residence permit issuedby the United Kingdomto a national from the European Economic

Areacountry or Switzerland.

• A passport or otherdocument issued by the Home Office which has an endorsement stating

thatthe holder has a current right of residence in the United Kingdom as the family member

ofa national from a European Economic Area country or Switzerland.

• A passport or othertravel document endorsed to show that the holder can stay indefinitely in

theUnited Kingdom,or has no time limit on their stay.

• A passport or othertravel document endorsed to show that the holder can stay in the United

Kingdom;and that this endorsement allows the holder to do the type of work the employeris

offeringif they do not have a work permit.

• An ApplicationRegistration Card issued by the Home Office to an asylum seeker stating that

theholder is permitted to take employment.


*Thefollowing countries are part of the EEA:

Austria;Belgium; Denmark; Finland; France; Germany; Greece; Iceland; Ireland; Italy;

Liechtenstein;Luxembourg; Netherlands; Norway; Portugal; Spain; Sweden; United Kingdom; Cyprus;Czech Republic; Estonia; Hungary; Latvia; Lithuania; Malta; Poland; Slovakia;Slovenia; Bulgaria and Romania.

Notes

• There is a registrationscheme for nationals of Poland;Latvia; Lithuania; the Czech

Republic;Slovakia; Slovenia, Hungaryand Estonia.

• Nationals from Bulgaria and Romania require work authorisationdocuments and are

restricted in the jobs they can do.


[FONT="Arial]List 2 [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]Two [/FONT]of the documents in the combinations listed below willprovide evidence of the right to work

in the UK. The documents provided must bethe [FONT="Arial]originals.[/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]First Combination [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]A) [/FONT]A document giving a person’spermanent National Insurance number and name. This could

bea: P45, P60, National Insurance card, or a letter from a Government agency


[FONT="Arial]AND one of the following documents [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]B) [/FONT]A full birth certificate issued inthe United Kingdom,which includes the names of the holder’s

parents [FONT="Arial]or[/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]C) [/FONT]A birth certificate issued in theChannel Islands, the Isle of Man or Ireland [FONT="Arial]or[/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]D) [/FONT]A certificate of registration ornaturalisation stating that the holder is a British citizen [FONT="Arial]or [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]E) [/FONT]A letter issued by the Home Officewhich indicates that the person named in it can stay

indefinitelyin the United Kingdomor has no time limit on their stay [FONT="Arial]or [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]F) [/FONT]An Immigration Status Documentissued by the Home Office with an endorsement indicating

thatthe person named in it can stay indefinitely in the United Kingdom or has no time limiton

theirs tay [FONT="Arial]or [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]G) [/FONT]A letter issued by theHome Office which indicates that the person named in it can stay in the UnitedKingdom; and this allows them to do the type of work that the employer isoffering [FONT="Arial]or [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]H) [/FONT]An Immigration Status Documentissued by the Home Office with an endorsement indicating

thatthe person named in it can stay in the United Kingdom; and this allowsthem to do the

typeof work that the employer is offering.


[FONT="Arial]Second combination [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]A) [/FONT]A work permit or other approval totake employment that has been issued by Work Permits

UK


[FONT="Arial]AND one of the following documents [/FONT]

[FONT="Arial]B) [/FONT]A passport or othertravel document endorsed to show that the holder is able to stay in the

UnitedKingdom and can take the work permit employment in question [FONT="Arial]or [/FONT]


[FONT="Arial]C) [/FONT]A letter issued by the Home Officeconfirming that the person named in it is able to stay in

the United Kingdom and can take thework permit employment in question.'

exprog

Wikipedia:


"The Act introduces civil (not criminal) penalties in the form of fines for employers who take on people over the age of 16 who are subject to immigration control (that is, have no entry clearance or leave to remain, or no valid permit to work in the UK)."

strangeotron

Gaz1971 wrote: »

I dont know for sure but I know they are sending people on courses from my local office.

As for them being paid, Im sure I read somewhere that they get paid so much per week and then get bonuses when you get a job and when you have been employed for a year.

They wouldn't do it if they got nothing up front.

Grayling the liar likes to claim the payment model for the WP ensures they will help, but the truth is the whole thing is a massive waste of time and is a scam. Of course these companies get something up front even though they may get more or the majority of the payments later. Even then that's only for a job that lasts 6 months. So if the person is sacked at 6 months they get paid and the claimant is right back with hthe provider for another bite of the cherry.

The whole thing stinks, but the government won't admit it.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

Ok if you say they do not have to check.

what i read clearly said that the regulation is about helping employers protect themselves against prosecution for employing illegal workers. it stated employers could be fined for employing legal workers. there was no mention of them being fined for not doing a check.
not only have i never been asked i also discovered my dad has never been asked for the jobs he has had.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

what i read clearly said that the regulation is about helping employers protect themselves against prosecution for employing illegal workers. it stated employers could be fined for employing legal workers. there was no mention of them being fined for not doing a check.
not only have i never been asked i also discovered my dad has never been asked for the jobs he has had.

and how would they know you were legal? hmmm

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

and how would they know you were legal? hmmm

common sense. look like a local, sound like a local, have local knowledge, have good knowledge of local companies, have provable work history etc. it is pretty safe to say i'm not from zimbabwe.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

common sense. look like a local, sound like a local, have local knowledge, have good knowledge of local companies, have provable work history etc. it is pretty safe to say i'm not from zimbabwe.

There are a lot of Brits in Zimbabwe though haha