Is this assault?

tomjonesrules

JenJen70 wrote: »

That's why we happily agreed to wait for the officer to call out at a convenient timeand didn't insist they came to the pub last night.....we waited almost 24 hrs to see someone.

But you can see how spurious complaints take officers away from true emergency situations?

mr-angry

tomjonesrules wrote: »

Those are not the words of a bully. Those are the words of a good police officer. They are not there to sugar coat things, and should not need to anyway with a 21 yo man.

It's people like you that make the job of the police so much more difficult. Each spurious complaint takes officers away from active duty. Maybe you'll think about that if someone you love gets attacked and the police are slow to respond?

People like me you say?

I have three immediate family members who are serving police officers, one of whom is my partner and is sat next to me astounded by your responses on here.

Why would a good police officer have to ask what to do following report of an offence?

Why would a good police officer suggest that in reporting a crime you should expect repercussions?

Why would a good police officer say it was someones fault for getting assaulted (alleged) because of a facebook comment?

Why would a good police officer make spurious threats that an employer would find out yadda yadda...

Zoetoes

tomjonesrules wrote: »

The officer took a reasoned view of the situation. They know that pursuing the situation will only exacerbate things, and sometimes doing nothing is by far the most effective thing to do. The fact is that nobody was hurt, if the matter is pursued you can bet someone will be.

I seem to miss the point where the officer said they will tell 'the bloke' that what he did was ok?

No just the point where I said 'effectively'

tomjonesrules

JenJen70 wrote: »

Yes he was wrong to vent his frustration in such away but he didn't name names & as the uncle is not a FB friend never thought for a minute it would cause further problems.

Then he needs some lessons on the impact of social media!

Zoetoes

tomjonesrules wrote: »

Then he needs some lessons on the impact of social media!

The threat didn't follow the facebook comment, the facebook comment followed the threat

jumpedtheshark

tomjonesrules wrote: »

Those are not the words of a bully. Those are the words of a good police officer. They are not there to sugar coat things, and should not need to anyway with a 21 yo man.

It's people like you that make the job of the police so much more difficult. Each spurious complaint takes officers away from active duty. Maybe you'll think about that if someone you love gets attacked and the police are slow to respond?

It's not about 'sugar coating' things, but rather treating members of the public with respect and accurately stating the law. If the OP's account is accurate, those weren't the actions or words of a good police officer.

Every interaction between the police and a member of the public is a chance for the police to build trust and a good working relationship. Without the public's trust and co-operation, the police have a much harder, sometimes near impossible job.

I have a lot of respect for the police, but if an officer spoke to a member of my family like that, I'd file a formal complaint. I filed one before when dispatch failed to sufficiently protect a child in their decision-making; they changed their process (at least on paper!), thus better protecting future potentially neglected/abused children.

JenJen70

Janepig wrote: »

When you're with him maybe, but are you with him 24/7? Do you really know what he's like when he's out with his friends?

Seriously, there's nothing gets my dander up in work more than young men (it's always men, never women) who can't deal with stuff themselves and have to get mammy to do it for them. He's 21, he's a grown adult, not a child. Let him sort it out himself.

Jx

Why would this bother you so much? As a Housing Officer I frequently deal with parents speaking on behalf of their offspring who are usually inexperienced when it comes to dealing with officials & it doesn't bother me in the slightest. These young adults watch & learn & eventually gain the confidence to deal with me themselves

JenJen70

tomjonesrules wrote: »

But you can see how spurious complaints take officers away from true emergency situations?

I would suggest this kind of attitude is why we have such issues in this country.....what you are suggesting is because it was only a minor assault the perpetrator should get way scot free!

In my book zero tolerance is the way forward & if the police aren't able to spare an officer then they should have sent a PCSO to speak to my son.

Janepig

JenJen70 wrote: »

Why would this bother you so much? As a Housing Officer I frequently deal with parents speaking on behalf of their offspring who are usually inexperienced when it comes to dealing with officials & it doesn't bother me in the slightest. These young adults watch & learn & eventually gain the confidence to deal with me themselves

Slightly different is that the men I deal with have committed criminal offences so are big enough and ugly enough to do that, yet have to have mammy or daddy to knock the Probation Officer's door to tell them they're here for their interview, or ring up to say that their little angel has slept late so won't be able to keep their appointment. And it's not just young men either, I've had elderly mums of offenders in their 40's ring up on their behalf.

It's a fine line between being supportive, and fighting someone's battles for them. And yes I totally get the protective parent thing, I can imagine what I'll be like when my two are older. I will endeavour to be supportive, but leave them sort things out themselves.

Jx

bestpud

Zoetoes wrote: »

The threat didn't follow the facebook comment, the facebook comment followed the threat

As I read it, he was told not to text someone and replied that he hadn't and they went their separate ways.

Then the OP's son decided to have a rant on FB and it got back to the other guy, as these things do, and it all kicked off again.

The other guy was being a prat but the OP's son inflamed the situation.