Atheist and the nativity

fawd1

dirtysexymonkey wrote: »

but it does condone them! what part of 'gay people are the biggest threat to mankind in the world today' makes you think it doesnt condone bigotry and discrimination? its hardly a bloody testimonial is it?!

What scripture said this? Please tell me. I don't care about a Pope or a bishop or an imam, I want to know what religion widely practiced today doesn't ask for tolerance, understanding and acceptance.

GracieP

fawd1 wrote: »

No love, it's my second out of seven. No wonder you feel superior. You must be so proud of you mediocre ability in just the one (might want to learn to read though)

I was asking out of genuine curiosity because I have worked with a lot of people to whom English is one of many languages they speak and your use of the language reminded me of some miscommunication problems I've encountered. I wanted to clarify the situation as on occasion your use of certain phrases was not accurate.

Btw, I speak 3 languages and my English literacy was tested as advanced adult level when I was 7. I'm also a recently published author.

But good put down.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Person_one

KxMx wrote: »

Well I consider myself a Christian (although experiencing a severe crisis of faith right now), and I tend to believe in a mixture of God and science. As the earth is clearly much older than the bible tells us etc.

But those who deny any form of God because there is no proof are being a little arrogant to assume science in 2011 can explain everything in the universe. Science is only as good as the knowledge and equipment of the time and I sure think we have a couple hundred years of progress before we know more about the world. Medical science is a good example, there are hundreds if not thousands of conditions where not much is known about the how/why they occur, they are only identified by symptoms and in many cases a certain amount of guesswork is applied to the diagnosis and treatment. I find it shocking that in 2011 chemotherapy has not been evolved from killing all cells into a tailored "smart" therapy killing cancerous cells and avoiding the healthy ones. But we are just not there yet.

Human arrogance I guess Just like people who have no respect the weather has power over them and go for walks along the sea wall with the dog in gales, or the surfer who went surfing (and died) during the USA east coast hurricane/tropical storm. Or the guy in Scotland who said last year "the transport minister should pay" for the disruption caused by the snow. Despite it being well forecast and quite possible for said guy to leave earlier, take another route, see if he could work from home that day, make sure he had torch, blankets, water etc in his car.

Oh dear.

Its not even that there is no proof. Its that there is not a single scrap of evidence, that could be used in a peer reviewed experiment or a court of law, supporting the idea that any deities of any kind exist.

fawd1

ktb wrote: »

Are you saying that religious people are doing evil things because they believe that God wants them to? Or are you saying that religious people are doing good things because they believe God wants them to? Your post is confusing.

Personally i'm far happier doing the things I do because I want me to! Only have myself to answer to that way The buck stops right here!

I'm saying that people do these things because they feel it's right, and whether they feel it's right because mummy told them to or god did, it doesn't matter, so why spend so much time telling them their reasons are wrong. Apart from anything else Why would you care/

peachyprice

GracieP wrote: »

I'm a former aid worker, someone who has risked my personal safety....

The first time I was in a dangerous situation where many people I worked with had been badly injured and imprisoned, one person killed and I was beaten by the military all I wanted to do was get out of where I was. On the journey out of that country I was desperately holding it together until I crossed the border, where I broke down sobbing. I was so glad to be safe. But for years afterwards I couldn't sleep whenever I remembered it because I couldn't stop imagining all of those people who will never, ever make it across a safe border, people who's situations are infinitely worse than anything I ever experienced and people who have to worry not only for themselves but for their families.

10-1 it was in war zone brought about by religion.

dirtysexymonkey

fawd1 wrote: »

What scripture said this? Please tell me. I don't care about a Pope or a bishop or an imam, I want to know what religion widely practiced today doesn't ask for tolerance, understanding and acceptance.

the leader of catholicism said it. he is followed by billions of catholics.

once again youre mixing up faith with religion. if the head of a religion says something (repeatedly) then his followers have to follow, especially as they believe he is the closest to god.;)

milliebear00001

KxMx wrote: »

Well I consider myself a Christian (although experiencing a severe crisis of faith right now), and I tend to believe in a mixture of God and science. As the earth is clearly much older than the bible tells us etc. For those of you who recall my previous post, I was forced into church for 2 years. As soon as we moved back I didn't go again but I have developed a faith on my own without any outside influences in the time since.

But those who deny any form of God because there is no proof are being a little arrogant to assume science in 2011 can explain everything in the universe. Science is only as good as the knowledge and equipment of the time and I sure think we have a couple hundred years of progress before we know more about the world. Medical science is a good example, there are hundreds if not thousands of conditions where not much is known about the how/why they occur, they are only identified by symptoms and in many cases a certain amount of guesswork is applied to the diagnosis and treatment. I find it shocking that in 2011 chemotherapy has not been evolved from killing all cells into a tailored "smart" therapy killing cancerous cells and avoiding the healthy ones. But we are just not there yet.

Human arrogance I guess Just like people who have no respect the weather has power over them and go for walks along the sea wall with the dog in gales, or the surfer who went surfing (and died) during the USA east coast hurricane/tropical storm. Or the guy in Scotland who said last year "the transport minister should pay" for the disruption caused by the snow. Despite it being well forecast and quite possible for said guy to leave earlier, take another route, see if he could work from home that day, make sure he had torch, blankets, water etc in his car.

Science cannot explain everything in existence fo sure - but, for me at least, that doesn't mean I just 'make up' my own version of events. It simply means we keep searching, keep investigating, and continue to use the method that has provided us with many of the answers that have overturned the versions given to us by religion for a millennium. It is likely we will get there in the end.

daska

fawd1 wrote: »

ARGHHHH, you still don't get it do you. Religion may be used as an excuse for these things, but that doesn't mean it actually condones them. it's like the man who says it's his parents fault he became a mass murderer. He might use them as an excuse, but unless they turned round and said hey, go kill a couple of people, that's a great idea, it's not their fault. (actually even if they said that, I'd argue personal choice)

Doesn't religion condone them? Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie. The bombing of the Twin Towers. The Spanish Inquisition. The Crusades. Israel's behaviour over their (allegedly) god given bit of real estate. All sanctioned if not encouraged or even driven by religious leaders.

fawd1

GracieP wrote: »

I was asking out of genuine curiosity because I have worked with a lot of people to whom English is one of many languages they speak and your use of the language reminded me of some miscommunication problems I've encountered. I wanted to clarify the situation as on occasion your use of certain phrases was not accurate.

Btw, I speak 3 languages and my English literacy was tested as advanced adult level when I was 7. I'm also a recently published author.

But good put down.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

OOH, advanced when you were 7, then there's no doubt you're right. Whilst I appreciate your efforts, your absolute desire to try and find a personal fault to someones argument makes me think that you have very little faith in your ability to argue a point. It might also be worth noting that my use of language was always correct. I assume English is not one of the three languages you speak well.

BTW. I'm not a recently published author. I've been published for a while. But good luck.

GracieP

peachyprice wrote: »

10-1 it was in war zone brought about by religion.

It's the 1 on this occasion I'm afraid. It was a failed political revolution. And some of my companions were nuns and a monk who were there to help out of ethics rather than to convert.