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Atheist and the nativity
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Originally Posted by fawd1
yep. You ever been to a decent church service? you'd see all of these things in the first half hour. OOOh, and I would also argue that effects attributed to love don't confirm it's existence. Ever heard of people being healed by faith?
Nope because that's impossible and has never happened or been proven. But I have heard of religious parents who allow their children to suffer and die by denying them medical treatment.
What an insult to genuinely hard working and conscientious medical practitioners who actually do heal people.
Just wondering how you feel about the medical profession dovetailing with prayers for healing?0 -
OOH, advanced when you were 7, then there's no doubt you're right. Whilst I appreciate your efforts, your absolute desire to try and find a personal fault to someones argument makes me think that you have very little faith in your ability to argue a point. It might also be worth noting that my use of language was always correct. I assume English is not one of the three languages you speak well.
BTW. I'm not a recently published author. I've been published for a while. But good luck.
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dirtysexymonkey wrote: »the leader of catholicism said it. he is followed by billions of catholics.
once again youre mixing up faith with religion. if the head of a religion says something (repeatedly) then his followers have to follow, especially as they believe he is the closest to god.;)
That may be the case for Catholics, but consider their teachings on birth control and how many Catholic women take the Pill!
Not everyone blindly follows religions that were after all founded an awfully long time ago in a very different world. Most have the sense to make modern adaptions to the old principles if they are inclined to be religious.0 -
That may be the case for Catholics, but consider their teachings on birth control and how many Catholic women take the Pill!
Not everyone blindly follows religions that were after all founded an awfully long time ago in a very different world. Most have the sense to make modern adaptions to the old principles if they are inclined to be religious.
you miss the point - which was that religions (in this case religious leaders) condone discrimination and bigotry, and in some cases murder.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
What scripture said this? Please tell me. I don't care about a Pope or a bishop or an imam, I want to know what religion widely practiced today doesn't ask for tolerance, understanding and acceptance.
tolerance, understanding and acceptance for whom? Sorry, it's just too tempting, this article from the Telegraph sprang immediately to mind. (I make no claims for how in/accurate the reporting is LOL).
Allowing women drivers in Saudi Arabia will be 'end of virginity'
Academics at the Majlis al-Ifta' al-A'ala, which is Saudi Arabia's highest religious council, said the relaxation of the rules would inevitably lead to “no more virgins”.
Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world where women are banned from driving.
The academics, working in conjunction with Kamal Subhi, a former professor at the conservative King Fahd University, produced the conclusions in a report for the country's legislative assembly, the Shura Council.
It warned that allowing women to drive would "provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce".
Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it claimed, there would be "no more virgins" in the Islamic kingdom.
It pointed out that "moral decline" could already be seen in those other Muslim countries in which women are allowed to drive.
In the report Prof Subhi described sitting in a coffee shop in an unnamed Arab state where "all the women were looking at me".
"One made a gesture that made it clear that she was available,” he said. “This is what happens when women are allowed to drive.”
Women caught driving in Saudi face corporal punishment.
In September, Shaima Jastaniya, 34, a Saudi woman, was sentenced to 10 lashes with a whip after being caught driving in Jeddah.
There has been strong protest in the country about the sentence, which was later overturned by King Abdullah, and about the law generally but resistance to reform remains strong among the traditionally conservative royal family and clerics.
The Saudi government is currently considering a proposal to ban women – already forced to cover up most of their body in public – from even displaying their eyes, if they are judged too “tempting”.
How exactly it would provoke a surge in homosexuality and rid them of all virgins remains a mystery...Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants - Michael Pollan
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I was asking out of genuine curiosity because I have worked with a lot of people to whom English is one of many languages they speak and your use of the language reminded me of some miscommunication problems I've encountered. I wanted to clarify the situation as on occasion your use of certain phrases was not accurate.
Btw, I speak 3 languages and my English literacy was tested as advanced adult level when I was 7. I'm also a recently published author.
But good put down.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Just to help you out, it should be a lot of people FOR whom English is the second language they speak. In case anyone describes your phrases as inaccurate ( NOT not accurate- funny a published author wouldn't know her own language but feels free to try and attack others for their use of it)0 -
tolerance, understanding and acceptance for whom? Sorry, it's just too tempting, this article from the Telegraph sprang immediately to mind. (I make no claims for how in/accurate the reporting is LOL).
Allowing women drivers in Saudi Arabia will be 'end of virginity'
Academics at the Majlis al-Ifta' al-A'ala, which is Saudi Arabia's highest religious council, said the relaxation of the rules would inevitably lead to “no more virgins”.
Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world where women are banned from driving.
The academics, working in conjunction with Kamal Subhi, a former professor at the conservative King Fahd University, produced the conclusions in a report for the country's legislative assembly, the Shura Council.
It warned that allowing women to drive would "provoke a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce".
Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, it claimed, there would be "no more virgins" in the Islamic kingdom.
It pointed out that "moral decline" could already be seen in those other Muslim countries in which women are allowed to drive.
In the report Prof Subhi described sitting in a coffee shop in an unnamed Arab state where "all the women were looking at me".
"One made a gesture that made it clear that she was available,” he said. “This is what happens when women are allowed to drive.”
Women caught driving in Saudi face corporal punishment.
In September, Shaima Jastaniya, 34, a Saudi woman, was sentenced to 10 lashes with a whip after being caught driving in Jeddah.
There has been strong protest in the country about the sentence, which was later overturned by King Abdullah, and about the law generally but resistance to reform remains strong among the traditionally conservative royal family and clerics.
The Saudi government is currently considering a proposal to ban women – already forced to cover up most of their body in public – from even displaying their eyes, if they are judged too “tempting”.
I see where you're going with this, but again, this is a government. What SCRIPTURE asks this of people?0 -
Just to help you out, it should be a lot of people FOR whom English is the second language they speak. In case anyone describes your phrases as inaccurate ( NOT not accurate- funny a published author wouldn't know her own language but feels free to try and attack others for their use of it)
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That may be the case for Catholics, but consider their teachings on birth control and how many Catholic women take the Pill!
Not everyone blindly follows religions that were after all founded an awfully long time ago in a very different world. Most have the sense to make modern adaptions to the old principles if they are inclined to be religious.
In which case they aren't following that religion but one of their own making. The person that disregards the catholic rules because they don't suit them is not a catholic. In the same way that a person that disregards the rules of science because they don't suit them is not a scientist.Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants - Michael Pollan
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Just wondering how you feel about the medical profession dovetailing with prayers for healing?
Actually I think it's appalling and every practitioner found to do this should be struck off. Unless the family specifically ask for prayers, then they should just get on with their job of healing0
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