ESA, Cant work... yet...

ankspon

I worked in maintenance during my illness and could no longer continue with manual work so i redeployed into the offices.I still had the same problems eg,not being able to get to work,not being able to sit or stand for long periods,medication making me exhausted and off this planet,etc,etc,etc.Don't judge anyone because they can type a few words,this post took me 5 minutes, a normal working day is about 8 hours.

moose1982

Why don't I get a job?

Firstly, I was made redundant from my last job because I have Type 1 Diabetes and apparently, (my ex-managers words, not mine) 'Diabetics should not be allowed to work'. How would that make you feel after doing well in a job and just being thrown out onto the dole pile? I know diabetics can work, I was a police officer as well and they were fine with it. But I know some companies are a little bit uneasy with taking disabled people on, but it's next to impossible to take any action.

Secondly, I'm on a medication programme (for another illness) which would mean I work 3 weeks and then need the entire 4th week off. Sadly not many employers can accomodate that.

Thirdly, too many JSA receivers cannot get a job, many of whom may have just been made redundant or similar but are perfectly capable of doing work, but it just isn't there right now.

I'd love a job, I really would. I currently volunteer with my old police force (who give me great help and assistance) along with an Open Uni degree. I do get calls and emails from agencies looking for people to do a buying/purchasing/procurement type job, but as soon as I ask what the access is like (ie lots of stairs) because of my disability, no-one wants to know.

doodoot

Moose, I do hope that you sued your employer who got rid of you due to you being diabetic! :eek:

(My DH is type 1 so I know how debilitating diabetes can be on its own, regardless of other health problems.)

And OP, much as I agree with you I also have to disagree...so am on the fence.

I know people who are loaded up on meds and still work, and others who use a once-a-year backache as an excuse for not working yet are able to go mountain-biking and DJ'ing/clubbing every weekend. :mad:

eskimo26

mr2gti wrote: »

Seriously - am I missing the point here or what?

Yes sadly you completely missed it.

Pro tip not wanting to have a slagging match you could posted this in a neutral space or not loaded it with really negative and ignorant nonsense. :beer:

BigAunty

There are very few legitimate work from home on a PC jobs available. If you spend any time on the 'Up your income' board you will soon understand that there are lots of people scrabbling to find the holy grail of a job they can do at home and very little actual employment.

Someone who is eloquent on forums and can spend a few minutes typing on a keyboard is not a reliable indicator that they are fit to work and employable.

smileytiger

Dognobs wrote: »

Fear of change and the cushy option!

I have ASD but work and I don't enjoy getting up at 3:30am to goto work but I don't want to sit at home on my a$$ expecting everybody to pay for me. It is now too easy to get signed of sick and the PC brigade jump on anyone who say diffrent. I is not only the money it is everything else that goes with it. TBF Most on ESA can't even be bothard to sign on every two weeks!

The thing that makes me laugh is people coming on here saying how poor they are but still have the internet and computers.

People on ESA and IB get a easy ride FACT this is why people are fed up and it is too easy to say "you have not seen me on a bad day"

Not wanting an argument - but sorry my OH was a hard working ex army pyshically fit man - until he woke up one morning and couldn't move - yep - just like that - overnight. Major spine surgery followed & lots of care.
So now when he can barely walk & somedays cannot use his hands or hold a cup or knife n fork - you think he's pulling a fast one????

There are plenty of scroungers on benefits - i loathe them - but not everyone on ESA is one - oh and ps - i work full time 12 hour days & pay more tax every month than he gets in benefits - we live in a nice big overdraft (courtesy of my bank), i've slogged my !!! off to pay off all our debts & we're selling our home after Christmas as we can no longer afford it on one salary. I'm not bitter - crap happens in life - OH is still alive and we're still together - we're luckier than most.
Before you generalise that we're all scum of the earth spongers - pray it never happens to you

Mupette

The_Write_Girl wrote: »

I'm afraid I agree. Some of the people with so-called cognitive disabilities can type and express themselves much better than a lot of the journalists I've trained.

If benefits vanished tomorrow you'd be surprised at how many people could suddenly work. I went straight to work after being involved in a car crash as I had urgent business. It never occurred to me to sit at home with my feet up.

sorry to burst your bubble (whilst i try to type carefully and correctly)
I've said it before and i'll say it agin, as i have cognitive disabilities, you can't fake test results.

But hey if you fancy having needles shoved in your spine, by inexperienced doctors, just to get some spinal fulid, what ever rocks your boat, or would you like to read the brain test the consultant did on me - you know consultant that should be an expert not you someone who is an armchair expert.

Oh and if benefits stopped tomorrow, i'd be fooked, as to putting my feet up, too painful for me sorry, go on have a guess at how long it has taken me to type all this...

oh btw, i have a very small part time job, i can't work full time but i wanted to try working agian (omg yes i have worked before, freaking amazing innit)

cit_k

Louise03 wrote: »

I do sort of see your point, While there will always be genuine cases there are an awful lot of one's pleading about how they will definetley be unable to work for the forseeable future.

IMO benefits have become to comfortable and people who have been claiming them for a length of time are becoming very unsettled with the proposed changes, ie frequent medicals etc and they seem to be going into panic mode that their benefits may be taken away from them.

I blame the previous government, they have created a society of people who think that "passing" a medical is some huge triumph.

Nice to see another completely uninformed rant from another clueless benefit basher.

We are talking about sickness benefits, so we would be talking about the old system Incapacity benefit (IB) and the new system ESA (employment and support allowance).

You make out that people on IB are comfortable, were not getting frequent medicals etc.

Yet, the reality is different, people on IB were assessed by ATOS , just like they are now.

In fact, IB was technically stricter as you had to be completely unfit for work, whereas with ESA you can be fit for work and still claim.

You also miss out the huge amount of known provable evidence about the flaws in the system, and its massive failings.

But, facts and evidence never seem to enter the small, closed minds of benefit bashers.

RILEYBULL

mr2gti wrote: »

I find it hard to understand that so many people are on this very forum - begging and pleading for help regarding work-related benefits such as ESA, JSA and alike...

...some of the threads I've seen are cram packed full of wisdom and loophole spotters and people genuinely in the know.

I'm struggling though to know why people with the clear ability to type and post online - massive huge texts regarding a claim they are scared to lose - saying they "cannot work" yet they have an ability to type, at home, on a PC/Laptop/Tablet and don't think that they could do this, from home, as a job?

Seriously - am I missing the point here or what? You can do a job, from home that is basically the same as you ranting on a forum on how you've just "dodged failing a WCA at ATOS".

Why is this happening? Why are so many people using some illnesses to mean they cannot do a thing?

Just interested in ALL opinions and not looking for a slagging match - but as a full time employee of a company, whilst having really bad asthma and just "getting on with it", so of the things I read on here are just plain ridiculous.

Excellent Post... How anyone can be PLEASED to be told they cannot work and then brag about it on this forum... How can you brag and tell the whole world you have been told you cannot work... :rotfl:

cit_k

Dognobs wrote: »

Fear of change and the cushy option!

I have ASD but work and I don't enjoy getting up at 3:30am to goto work but I don't want to sit at home on my a$$ expecting everybody to pay for me. It is now too easy to get signed of sick and the PC brigade jump on anyone who say diffrent. I is not only the money it is everything else that goes with it. TBF Most on ESA can't even be bothard to sign on every two weeks!

The thing that makes me laugh is people coming on here saying how poor they are but still have the internet and computers.

People on ESA and IB get a easy ride FACT this is why people are fed up and it is too easy to say "you have not seen me on a bad day"

Fact, your another benefit basher who has no idea of even the basics.

Its rather annoying, people who display such limited signs of intelligence are actually in employment, when there are people who are capable of not spouting of utter uninformed bile remain out of work.

It is not easy at all to stay on sickness benefits, it is and has been for a long time very difficult.

The initial claim is easy, but past the assessment phase, its very hard. People have DIED before getting to a tribunal, from the illness that the system said was not a problem and they should be at work.

As for not being bothered to sign on, it just shows your ignorance, you dont sign on when claiming ESA.