How can anyone do this :(

dirtysexymonkey

vicx wrote: »

I think we are going around in circles here. I will say again, no one on this thread has said kittens have more rights than any other animal.

yes they have. because apparently a 'domesticated' animal has more rights. arent rabbits 'domesticated'? and mice? rats? etc?

post 36 i think it was.

vicx

dirtysexymonkey wrote: »

yes they have. because apparently a 'domesticated' animal has more rights. arent rabbits 'domesticated'? and mice? rats? etc?

post 36 i think it was.

I have just read back. The poster states cats are domesticated animals which is why it is illegal. I don't know if it illegal or not but I would assume it is. I have never said kittens have more rights than any other animal because no matter what was being fed, mouse, rat, bunny etc I would still have the same view.

Post #7 'Some snakes only eat live food. Why does a cat have more rights than a rat,mouse or a rabbit.'

Up to this point no one had said cats had more rights.

I think the discussion was more so on how it was done than what animal it was.

rinabean

vicx wrote: »

Are you serious? This sicko has not only fed a live kitten to snake but has also drowned a kitten in the bath and suffocated another two in a plastic bag, possibly even more that we do not know about. How can any of those sick acts compare to slaughtering animals for meat which might I add is legal. What this sicko done in all his video is animal cruelty and is being hunted down because it is illegal.

I'm serious. Morality has nothing to do with law. Keeping slaves was legal, once. Didn't make it right.

I am not defending him. He's committed a crime and I shall be glad to see him go to jail for it. He killed those kittens because he found it pleasurable. Most of the people on this board, including the ones being outraged about this person, are happy to have someone else kill animals for their own pleasure, and some will do it themselves. Killing animals to eat them when you're not going to starve otherwise is animal cruelty. It's not illegal. But that doesn't make you a perfect picture of morality and this guy a "sicko". It just means he's a criminal and you're not.

I used to get outraged at these stories and despair at how cruel people could be to their fellow creatures, but this person isn't much crueller than your average Brit. And there's no point getting angry - or surprised - about it because I can't change his behaviour, or yours, and no-one can undo all the cruelty and killing. All I can influence is my own behaviour.

vicx

rinabean wrote: »

I am not defending him. He's committed a crime and I shall be glad to see him go to jail for it. He killed those kittens because he found it pleasurable. Most of the people on this board, including the ones being outraged about this person, are happy to have someone else kill animals for their own pleasure, and some will do it themselves. Killing animals to eat them when you're not going to starve otherwise is animal cruelty. It's not illegal. But that doesn't make you a perfect picture of morality and this guy a "sicko". It just means he's a criminal and you're not.

How can you compare this sicko to those who slaughter animals? Although they are both seen as animal cruelty I think there is a huge difference. One is seen as sadistic and abuse and the other is seen as a humane way of killing animals for food.

I am aware of how those poor animals wait on death row at the slaughterhouse and how they are killed, unfortunately I've seen video's of this happening and I found it very cruel and upsetting but it's unfortunately legal and being a vegetarian is not going to stop this happening. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they think slaughtering animals is right.

This sicko killed the kittens for attention & pleasure. It was clear from the first video that he wasn't doing it just to feed the snake, the video is not normal and neither is he. Whether it was a mouse, rat or rabbit, I would still have the same view so it has nothing to do with the kitten but how it was done.

justjohn

vicx wrote: »

This sicko killed the kittens for attention & pleasure. It was clear from the first video that he wasn't doing it just to feed the snake, the video is not normal and neither is he. Whether it was a mouse, rat or rabbit, I would still have the same view so it has nothing to do with the kitten but how it was done.

No one is saying he is not sick. No one is saying it is normal.

However some people are giving different scenario's and viewing it in slightly different contexts.

i think what rinabean is saying is we kill animals for our pleasure every day and its legal and considered OK. Often not not as humane as some like you too think. And you do not need too eat meat.

In the context of rinabeans statement most of the meat that ends up on my plate was probably worse/more stressed out than that kitten.

Can i just say yet again "No one is saying he is not sick. No one is saying it is normal."

ill leave this once more, as you seem to be only reading what you want in peoples posts.

vicx

justjohn wrote: »

In the context of rinabeans statement most of the meat that ends up on my plate was probably worse/more stressed out than that kitten.

I guess you are referring to the kitten/python video so what about the other two video's would you say the same for those kittens?

I don't agree with slaughtering animals but as I said it is legal and being a vegetarian is not going to stop it happening. I eat meat, doesn't mean to say 'I am happy that someone else is killing the animals for my pleasure'.

The man is a sicko but I wouldn't say those who kill animals in a slaughterhouse are on the same level as him, yes it's all wrong but they can't really be compared.

justjohn

vicx wrote: »

I guess you are referring to the kitten/python video so what about the other two video's would you say the same for those kittens? NO

I don't agree with slaughtering animals but as I said it is legal and being a vegetarian is not going to stop it happening. I eat meat, doesn't mean to say 'I am happy that someone else is killing the animals for my pleasure'. Yes but you are not as emotional about it as you are about the kitten?

The man is a sicko but I wouldn't say those who kill animals in a slaughterhouse are on the same level as him, yes it's all wrong but they can't really be compared.i think some people can compare it. The suffering of a cow going to a slaughterhouse is worse than the suffering of the kitten

People are discussing the actions and the effect rather than the perpetrator.

But we still think he is sick !!!

vicx

Yes I am as emotional about slaughtering animals as I am about all the kittens in those 3 video's. I can't bear to watch any videos of animals in a slaughterhouse after seeing one which I struggled to watch and I definitely won't be watching the kitten video's.

You are only comparing the kitten which was fed to the python, not the abuse and suffering the other 3 kittens (and possibly more) went through, those kittens were killed for pleasure by some sicko. Theres a huge difference, the kittens were killed for pleasure, the animals in the slaughterhouse are killed for food.

Buttonmoons

I unfortunatly have seen the vacumn video, and I don't suggest watching it. I can't fathom why on earth someone would do that (or really understand why the hell I watched it - morbid most likely)

I must say though, it's not the worst animal killing video I've ever came across, going back a few years now, but some woman (japanese I think) killed a kitten/puppy/baby bunny, with her high heeled stilettoes, I clicked the link unawares, and watched about 5 seconds before actually throwing up, I couldn't stop thinking about it, was utterly horrific.

I think it was for some "fetish" type thing, they paralyzed the animals first with an injection of some sort, I am off to google actually as I'm sure she was arrested....


Edit - no wasn't arrested, but outraged people on the internet managed to track her down, a nurse in hong kong, who was apparently persuaded to do it because she was in turmoil after her divorce - the mind truly boggles!

Blackjack_Davy

rinabean wrote: »

I'm serious. Morality has nothing to do with law. Keeping slaves was legal, once. Didn't make it right.

I am not defending him. He's committed a crime and I shall be glad to see him go to jail for it. He killed those kittens because he found it pleasurable. Most of the people on this board, including the ones being outraged about this person, are happy to have someone else kill animals for their own pleasure, and some will do it themselves. Killing animals to eat them when you're not going to starve otherwise is animal cruelty. It's not illegal. But that doesn't make you a perfect picture of morality and this guy a "sicko". It just means he's a criminal and you're not.

I used to get outraged at these stories and despair at how cruel people could be to their fellow creatures, but this person isn't much crueller than your average Brit. And there's no point getting angry - or surprised - about it because I can't change his behaviour, or yours, and no-one can undo all the cruelty and killing. All I can influence is my own behaviour.

I've had enough of this nonsense. You're wrong and your defender is wrong also, but is typical of vegan misinformation. No-one takes pleasure in slaughtering anaimals for food, These animals are raised for food. They wouldn't exist otherwise. The sheep that graze in fields next to my sisters house are attractive wooly creatures and are cute to look at, but they're destined to become lamb chop and I have no problem with that at all. They're killed in as humane a fashion as possible and in as stress-free manner as possible by stunning or killing them with a bullet beforehand. Unless it's Halal meat, and theres no way I would knowingly eat any of that.

What this guy did though is the complete opposite. He did it to cause as much suffering and misery as possible and to gain pleasure from it. Thats sadistic, pure and simple. It's not because it's a fluffy pet either, people have eaten dogs when they've had to - and I've heard the meat is very good. Would I eat dog if I had no other choice? Of course I would. But this done purely for sadistic reasons and sadistic reasons only.

Of course animals kill in the wild, nature is cruel, anyone who's seen videos of wolves killing prey know it's horrific, they're eating it alive - but they're acting on instinct. It's what they do. We're better than our instincts, or we should be. We have a choice and we choose not to cause unnecessary suffering if we can.

For the record I don't believe snakes should be fed live prey I think it should be made illegal whether it's rabbits, mice, rats or anything else. If the snakes won't touch it, fine, let the keeping of those snakes be banned or have them PTS.

I'm done with this discussion. Good day.