MSE News: Autumn Budget Statement: Benefits to rise 5.2% with inflation

tatonette

The_Write_Girl wrote: »

That would be your own stupidity then, wouldn't it? I could easily spend £300 a week on food, but I have self-control. What about half coupons, half gym membership? Some claimants, Jeremy Kyle style, could be doing with a few rounds on the treadmill.

Oh right, so I gorge myself on £300 of food a week and spend the rest of it working out in a gym to burn the calories off!!

Who on earth can spend £300 a week on food?

You honestly have no idea about household management - Food stamps & gym membership hahahahahah

KxMx

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver wrote: »

Why would anyone in their right mind sit down with a nice cuppa to that Benefits Basher Jeremy Kyle. (looks at wish list plans to get 'chavs the demonisation of the working class).
Haven't you ANY idea how those on benefits are being persecuted and harassed.
I am jolly pleased for a change. But I am sure Osborne has done it in order to ferment hatred towards this vulnerable needy class.
I think you need to read a few Benefits claimants blogs like
Benefits Scrounging Scrum to get the other side, then you might change your mind. (otherwise this is just a boring tedius MSE response for a deluded lot of right wingers who have no economic reeasons for doing so but who haven't woken up yet):beer:

I have been mulling this over and sorry to say I came up with the same conclusion.

dktreesea

duchesspink1 wrote: »

where do you get the ridiculous idea that people on JSA are workshy scroungers? thats a sweeping generalisation and very rude to those of us that are on jsa through being cut out of work with no choice. I don't intend to be on it for much longer but I resent people like you looking down your nose. I hope to god you don't ever find yourself losing your job. Disgraceful attitude. Why do you come to these threads if they irritate you so much?

What do you mean by "no choice?" Of course people have a choice. I can understand why people think of those on JSA as work shy. If someone was laid off, why can't they work for themselves? Why do they have to sit around, on JSA, forever and a day, crying "Woe is me! No one will give me a job!" How helpless and pathetic is that?

There are heaps of things people can do that don't cost a lot - presumably they have some redundancy money if they have been laid off? or holiday pay/ Some kind of lump sum? - to set up. Telesales, gardening, window cleaning, cleaning cars, delivering leaflets, selling stuff at the market, dog walking, selling things on Ebay, Amazon, some other online site. I'm sick of people on the jsa who only want the same kind of job that they used to do and won't take charge of their own lives and create their own jobs.

cit_k

dktreesea wrote: »

What do you mean by "no choice?" Of course people have a choice. I can understand why people think of those on JSA as work shy. If someone was laid off, why can't they work for themselves? Why do they have to sit around, on JSA, forever and a day, crying "Woe is me! No one will give me a job!" How helpless and pathetic is that?

There are heaps of things people can do that don't cost a lot - presumably they have some redundancy money if they have been laid off? or holiday pay/ Some kind of lump sum? - to set up. Telesales, gardening, window cleaning, cleaning cars, delivering leaflets, selling stuff at the market, dog walking, selling things on Ebay, Amazon, some other online site. I'm sick of people on the jsa who only want the same kind of job that they used to do and won't take charge of their own lives and create their own jobs.

Your assuming

a) they are capable of running a business, most people are not, thats why we have so many people in work, not out starting companies.

b) they do have some form of lump sum payment, many dont.

c) that swapping JSA for tax credits so you can do some non job selling on ebay, cleaning windows etc is anything other than claiming benefits in a different manner.

d) that there is even a market for whatever they are capable of

e) that they are healthy enough to do so (many are not)

and seeing as they would probably get more benefit wise by doing a non job and claiming tax credits, its more costly to the taxpayer anyway to do that.

duchesspink1

dktreesea wrote: »

What do you mean by "no choice?" Of course people have a choice. I can understand why people think of those on JSA as work shy. If someone was laid off, why can't they work for themselves? Why do they have to sit around, on JSA, forever and a day, crying "Woe is me! No one will give me a job!" How helpless and pathetic is that?

There are heaps of things people can do that don't cost a lot - presumably they have some redundancy money if they have been laid off? or holiday pay/ Some kind of lump sum? - to set up. Telesales, gardening, window cleaning, cleaning cars, delivering leaflets, selling stuff at the market, dog walking, selling things on Ebay, Amazon, some other online site. I'm sick of people on the jsa who only want the same kind of job that they used to do and won't take charge of their own lives and create their own jobs.

how dare you write such a stupid rude post.



i had my bills to pay as normal and that was that. In order to sell anything, you need to be able to purchase it in the first instance, bloody hard when there is nothing left out of a months pay to do so

I have been on job seekers for a few months, not that its any of your business, but I do look for work, do sell stuff on ebay but i'm not in any position to start a business of my own. Grow up for gods sake.

if it were that easy to go into business, wouldn't we all be doing it?

what is your problem with someone using a benefit to fall back on when or if they need it? I've paid tax for 22 years, never been off work since I was 16 and frankly if having to take JSA for a few months is what I need to do until I get another job, then I'll do it quite happily without concern.

People like you only serve to anger those of us on a benefit. If you read the stickies at the top of these forums, they quite clearly state that bashing of benefit recipients isn't allowed. Take your comments to the discussion area instead and leave these forums for those that want to ask for advice and those that want to give it.

neverdespairgirl

cit_k wrote: »

Tip : google.co.uk

Its amazing, you can put words into it, and phrases and look things up, such as the benefit vouchers etc, and see the past attempts, the failure, the scrappage, and the research/problems as to why its unworkable, and crazy idea.

It's been used over a period of several years forasylum seekers. The levels are lower, however, than income support minimums.

thefly66

Suarez wrote: »

100% correct! Why should people on Jobseekers allowance get what is effectively a pay rise?

Many people who are actually working wont receive a rise this year due to the financial state of the country yet these people sat on their backside all day watching Jeremy Kyle are due a 5% increase!

There's no wonder we are in this mess!

I would like to point out to Suarez that the comment made about the rise in benefits is the cause of the state of our country,Well I am in reciept of disability benefits after having an accident at WORK, It is likely that I will never work again,so for doing my bit & paying my taxes etc has left me like this,but I don't sit on my backside all day watching Jeremy Kyle & I resent you for sayng that,doing my bit & paying my taxes etc has ruined my life, so I consider I am owed by the State BIG TIME,So please don't tarnish us all as being a bunch of layabouts as there are many many more people like me that have been forced into having to live on benefits for the rest of their lives,my accident happened when I was only 18 years old & I am now 45,so believe me when I say I would rather be working if I could & benefits are only the bare minimum you need to live on & the costs of living today, it isn't even enough to live on.So please don't think that everyone on benefits is a layabout who doesn't want to work,We just "CAN'T"

thefly66

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

It's been used over a period of several years forasylum seekers. The levels are lower, however, than income support minimums.

Please read this email that has been sent to a lot of people lately about Immigrants & Asylum Seekers & Our British Pensioners,Perhapes all those Benefit Bashers should rad this & tell me it is still wrong for British Non-Workers to have benefits,maybe you should stop all the following payments to Immigrants & Asylum Seekers & that might improve our economy.PLEASE READ!!

Dear Prime Minister The RT. HON. David Cameron. MP.

I wish to ask you a Question :- " Is This True ?"

I refer to the Pension Reality Check.

Are you aware of the following ?

The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-


BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER (bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National Insurance contributions to the British government all their working life) Weekly allowance: £106.00

• IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN (No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever) Weekly allowance: £250.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly Spouse allowance: £25.00

• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Weekly Spouse allowance: £225.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional weekly hardship allowance £0.00

• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Additional weekly hardship allowance £100.00

A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

• BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £6,000
• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900

Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent state pension.

After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.

Sad isn't it? Its about time we put our own people first :T

rogerblack

thefly66 wrote: »

Please read this email that has been sent to a lot of people lately about Immigrants & Asylum Seekers & Our British Pensioners<snip>

Sad isn't it? Its about time we put our own people first :T

Yes, it's deeply sad people don't engage brains on receiving this sort of email, as it's basically complete b**sht.
http://stevehynd.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/spam-emails-are-rarely-based-on-fact-%E2%80%93-more-often-they-are-based-on-hatred/ - for example.

seven-day-weekend

thefly66 wrote: »

Please read this email that has been sent to a lot of people lately about Immigrants & Asylum Seekers & Our British Pensioners,Perhapes all those Benefit Bashers should rad this & tell me it is still wrong for British Non-Workers to have benefits,maybe you should stop all the following payments to Immigrants & Asylum Seekers & that might improve our economy.PLEASE READ!!

Dear Prime Minister The RT. HON. David Cameron. MP.

I wish to ask you a Question :- " Is This True ?"

I refer to the Pension Reality Check.

Are you aware of the following ?

The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-


BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER (bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National Insurance contributions to the British government all their working life) Weekly allowance: £106.00

• IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN (No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever) Weekly allowance: £250.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly Spouse allowance: £25.00

• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Weekly Spouse allowance: £225.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional weekly hardship allowance £0.00

• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Additional weekly hardship allowance £100.00

A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

• BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £6,000
• ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900

Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent state pension.

After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.

Sad isn't it? Its about time we put our own people first :T

This is rubbish and completely untrue.

All Pensioners have a minimum income guarantee .
The Guarantee Credit works by topping up your weekly income to:

• £137.35 if you are single
• £209.70 if you have a partner

If it is made up to this by pension Credit, they get their rent/Council Tax paid too. Even if if they are not on Pension Credit they may still be entitled to someextra help.

Illegal immigrants are entitled to nothing.

Genuine asylum seekers MAY be entitled to something but nowhere near the amounts mentioned above.