Does anyone else take food grade DE?

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Fair do's, apology totally accepted and thanks for explaining.

The effect on humans can be extrapolated from the properties described above - the procedure would normally be to write a protocol based on this and get a full study done on human effects. I wish I could get the funding for such a study, it's the kind of thing I'd like to do!

Ultimately at the moment though, no matter what arguments we put forward we're not going to listen to each other. I'll see if I can't get a grant for the study if you fancy having some scans and things done!

And, on a lighter note, have a browse round the rest of the forum! You seem to be only posting on this thread and there's loads more fun to be had

HBS x

Zag_2

HeartBreak perhaps to better make my point I'm going to argue in the way you do.

Most people over time build up waste along the lining of their colon, this waste not only becomes toxic leaching toxins continually into your blood stream but inhibits absorbtion of nutrients. As a result many people get a wide range of sicknesses and diseases. Some people use colonic irrigation to attemt to remove this build up but DE has proven even more effective and many people have found relief and cure from a range of ailments. IBS is one of the ailments most commonly reported to be helped. Even better news DE when used as instructed has been shown to have no negative side effects.

Zag_2

Heartbreak,

Posted the above before I read your last post.

I'd be up for that

Unfortunately getting money to investigate products like DE is almost impossible. But all the best in your endevours. Until then I'll make do with anecdotal evidence and personal experience.

Regards and even a little xx reply

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I like this chat much better

I'll give you a shout if I get the funding!

HBS x

Zag_2

I'm curious heartbreak ( and without being the least bit antagonistic ) If you were travelling in far off foreign lands and you got very sick. The people of this nation said they had some kind of herb that would cure you within 24hours. You had never heard of this herb and knew nothing about it. Would you accept the anecdotal evidence that you were being told i.e many people in this culture used and had great results with this particular herb. Or on the basis of not having been thoroughly scientifically tested would you refuse it?

As an aside if it had been thoroughly tested, it would not have been promoted, they would have tried to chemically copy the herb and then patent it and then promote the copycat version that would make them a lot of money. Do you agree with that?

Regards

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Hm, there's a good question.

I would say that if it was just sick, then I would not take the herb. Aside from anything else, my system might not be able to process it properly, especially if it would normally be a poison.

If it was a matter of life and death...then I probably would. What do I have to lose?

However, if I recovered, I would take samples of the herb back to be tested.

On the aside, I'm with Dr Goldacre on the "Big Pharma" companies - I think with some of them over the years science has become more an exercise in accounting than anything else. I don't really see a problem with chemical reproductions, (chiral isomerism aside) but I disagree with having to hold back on medicines because of patent fights etc.

So in theory, no problems with testing, reproducing, growing, developing - but in practise it doesn't quite work like that. I'm all about the research, man!

HBS x

Zag_2

Thought you'd left me.

Not sure where you got the idea the herb would normally be a poison?Also I wasn't partcularily talking about a sickness that was life and death but for example severe diarrhea that just wasn't getting better? Anything that was very uncomfortable and was effectively ruining your trip.

I like your term an exercise in accounting lol That is one way of putting it. Have you ever studied the number of natural cures for cancer ( as an example ) that get buried. If not you might find that interesting.

Where as you are skeptical of natural cures I'm sceptical of Big Pharma. The more money involved the more likelyhood of corruption. Natural cures of course have their share of charlatans trying to make a quick buck but with Big Pharma it's billions of pounds of incentive to be corrupt

It's a shame that natural products don't get the clinical trials that drugs do because we would be much further down the road to healing. Unfortunately the goal is not healing it's money and that means it's in the interests of Big Pharma to keep us sick and to keep us looking to them for answers.

Wonder where the clinical trials are for the effect of all the different vacciniations they practically force on millions of people with no idea how the combination of a whole host of cocktails of drugs and toxins will affect the population in the long term. I wonder if you've taken such vaccinations considering the lack of clinical trials?

Zag x

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Nope, back once again with the renegade master just had a stupendously busy weekend!

We are absolutely agreed on Big Pharma - from my side of things they keep eating little labs that are actually doing great work into medical developments, but because they are run by boards of money-men they struggle and then get bought out by corporations it's really, really sad and totally against everything a real scientist believes

From the bit of experience I have in pharmaceuticals - luckily in one of those little labs - the basic process from natural cure to pill is really interesting. Often it's more about purification and removal of the unnecessary bits of the plant (chlorophyll etc) and refining the active ingredients than trying to replicate. Unless you're a corporation of course, in which case it's about trying to replicate it because you can't patent a plant and it might be quicker to make money this way

In university there were a few projects going on with regards to natural body chemistry and reaction to unfamiliar substances - sort of like if you're a beer drinker and you switch to wine for a night, will you get drunk faster and have a worse hangover? I know that's probably a really bad example, but the hypothesis was that a "healing" plant to a body unfamiliar with it might do nothing at all or more harm than good. Left uni before the papers were published though, sadly.

To sum me up in one sentence - if I was ill and was given a plant or a pill that claim to do the same thing, I'd take the pill. Hope the warblings have made sense!

HBS x

adouglasmhor

My GF took it on a fast to cleanse her digestive system.

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Heh, just found out apparently we've used it as a filtration agent in the lab here

Still wouldn't eat it though

HBS x