Does anyone else take food grade DE?

Zag_2

purplebutterfly wrote: »

I've read about a few things like this and I have to point out that you should be VERY careful of taking DE if you are on medication, as it can affect the absorption of medicines which will then be far less effective.

I'm very interested in your evidence for this, since DE cleans out your bowel system logically I'd have thought absorbtion should be greater if anything. Do you have information suggesting that the opposite is true?

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It appears to clean everything out of your bowels including their lining...

And no, this thread is about DE and "Does anyone take it, yes/no"? I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone - it just so happens my opinion is a resounding NO and science is my reason why. Incidentally...it's nearly all silica. You may as well eat sand.

Take it over to Discussion Time if you really want a good debate

HBS x

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"Inert dusts kill insects by desiccation. They desiccate not by absorbing water, but by removing by abrasion or absorption the outer layer of wax or grease that is part of an insect’s exoskeleton. Due to its highly porous nature, DE is one of the most effective of all natural inert dusts. It absorbs waxy fats and oils (lipids) from the epicuticle (skin) of insects and other invertebrate pests. Once the waxy, oily coating is removed, the insect cannot retain water and dies due to dehydration. Partial water loss makes them thirsty, but most insects die when about 60 percent of their water is lost. Silica gel and fumed silica are synthetic amorphous silicas (SiO2) that TECHNOLOGY SPOTLIGHT also kill insects in this way (Ebeling 1961;Ebeling 1971)."

And you want to put this inside yourself?!

HBS x

Zag_2

heartbreak_star wrote: »

It appears to clean everything out of your bowels including their lining...

And no, this thread is about DE and "Does anyone take it, yes/no"? I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone - it just so happens my opinion is a resounding NO and science is my reason why. Incidentally...it's nearly all silica. You may as well eat sand.

Take it over to Discussion Time if you really want a good debate

HBS x

All you had to do was answer the question and back up your unsubstantiated claim that DE reduces absorbtion instead you ignore the question and make another unsubstantiated claim that it removes the lining of your bowel.

To make it worse you then give an example of how it kills insects and use this as evidence that it shouldn't be consumed. Have you ever seen what salt does to a slug? How about fluoride, it has been used in rat poison and to kill cockroaches and without doubt it has killed human beings. Are you one of the majority that is happy to have it in their water and even cleans their teeth with it?

No need to go to another part of the forum to debate since frankly you don't have any kind of argument. As to your right to post here, clearly the original poster was looking for people that take DE not people to come here that have little to no knowledge on the subject to come and try and trash it.

Did you know DE was extensively used by farmers and mixed with their grain? For sure you are ingesting DE already unless you are eating a very restricted diet.

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Back your claims up - at least I gave some evidence. The paragraph regarding insects, if you read into it, states the DE removes lipids and waxes and is also hydrophilic. This could cause havoc to your digestion!

And actually read the posts - I mentioned nothing about "absorbtion" (I presume you mean absorption), that was purplebutterfly.

Generally medications that are utilised by the body within the intestinal system are (I believe) held within the mucous layer so that the medicine can absorb over a period of time. If this mucous layer has been removed, the medication will pass straight through. Same as what happens if you have colonic irrigation.

Hopefully the fuss over this will die down, same as it did with "miracle mineral solution" which believers said could apparently cure everything from obesity through diabetes to cancer. Yeah, all it actually did was turn you a bit blue and poison you a bit.

I don't doubt that diatomaceous earth has its uses - it's an extremely effective filter and insecticide and it is officially non-toxic...but plastic is also classed as non-toxic and I wouldn't want to eat that.

Zag, are you only here to talk about DE?

HBS x

Zag_2

heartbreak_star wrote: »

Back your claims up - at least I gave some evidence. The paragraph regarding insects, if you read into it, states the DE removes lipids and waxes and is also hydrophilic. This could cause havoc to your digestion!

And actually read the posts - I mentioned nothing about "absorbtion" (I presume you mean absorption), that was purplebutterfly.

Generally medications that are utilised by the body within the intestinal system are (I believe) held within the mucous layer so that the medicine can absorb over a period of time. If this mucous layer has been removed, the medication will pass straight through. Same as what happens if you have colonic irrigation.

Hopefully the fuss over this will die down, same as it did with "miracle mineral solution" which believers said could apparently cure everything from obesity through diabetes to cancer. Yeah, all it actually did was turn you a bit blue and poison you a bit.

I don't doubt that diatomaceous earth has its uses - it's an extremely effective filter and insecticide and it is officially non-toxic...but plastic is also classed as non-toxic and I wouldn't want to eat that.

Zag, are you only here to talk about DE?

HBS x

You began your argument at the beginning stating that we should back up our claims with solid science. You then proceed to make quite a few unbacked up claims.

So which claims that I have made do you want me to back up? I'll back any of them up just as soon as you give me the "solid science" behind your claim that DE can cause havoc with your digestive system?

One other question, from your statements I assume you believe that all the gunk/mucous that has built up over long periods along the walls of our digestive system is best left there and that those that for example use colonic irrigation or in this case DE are foolish to remove it from their system???? Even you admit that this mucous slows up absorption but you see that somehow as a good thing as you assume that it's better to get the medicine slowly. I'd suggest that having a digestive system that can readily an easily absorb nutrients is a much better thing, since that is what it is supposed to do.

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You're misreading what I've said. Never mind. There's no way you're going to change my opinion, or I yours, it's like religion or homeopathy I guess.

Carry on with your self-medication, I'll personally stick with science

HBS x

Zag_2

heartbreak_star wrote: »

You're misreading what I've said. Never mind. There's no way you're going to change my opinion, or I yours, it's like religion or homeopathy I guess.

Carry on with your self-medication, I'll personally stick with science

HBS x

As has clearly been shown you have no science just ill informed opinions. You have not produced even one piece of scientific evidence yet decieve yourself and try and decieve others that your view is based on solid science. Show me from your posts one statement that you have made showing solid scientific evidence for any of your statements/opinions. I'll help you out. There are none.

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Science:

DE is one of the most effective of all natural inert dusts. It absorbs waxy fats and oils (lipids) from the epicuticle (skin)

it's nearly all silica

diatomaceous earth has its uses - it's an extremely effective filter and insecticide and it is officially non-toxic...but plastic is also classed as non-toxic

There we go, three examples I pulled in about 20 seconds.

Also, the mucous lining of our digestive systems is protective, I'd rather not have that stripped away. It's supposed to be there. Nutrients and medications will readily be absorbed through it. If this lining is not there, they won't be absorbed more easily - you'll just excrete them.

I have 12 years in a lab, automated diagnostics at the moment but previously histopathology and cell research. I studied biology and applied biology at university.

This has descended into an argument and I'm appalled that I've had to justify my own scientific knowledge and research. I simply don't have any faith at all in alternative "medicine" and like seeing things proven and tested for their purpose before I use them.

I believe I have been fairly reasonable until my last post, you've seen fit to put some personal attacks on me.

I think now I'll bite my tongue and let you get in with misreading my posts and pulling all the water and lining out of your intestines.

HBS x

Zag_2

heartbreak_star wrote: »

Science:
There we go, three examples I pulled in about 20 seconds.

Also, the mucous lining of our digestive systems is protective, I'd rather not have that stripped away. It's supposed to be there. Nutrients and medications will readily be absorbed through it. If this lining is not there, they won't be absorbed more easily - you'll just excrete them.

I have 12 years in a lab, automated diagnostics at the moment but previously histopathology and cell research. I studied biology and applied biology at university.

This has descended into an argument and I'm appalled that I've had to justify my own scientific knowledge and research. I simply don't have any faith at all in alternative "medicine" and like seeing things proven and tested for their purpose before I use them.

I believe I have been fairly reasonable until my last post, you've seen fit to put some personal attacks on me.

I think now I'll bite my tongue and let you get in with misreading my posts and pulling all the water and lining out of your intestines.

HBS x

First if you feel I have personally attacked you, I'd like to apologise. I meant to attack/disagree with your arguments not you Personally. Sometimes it's hard to separate the two.

Back to your arguments. In the first place none of the statements that you made above have been backed up scientifically. Where is your scientific evidence that DE is made up of Silica? However in the case of those statements I'd not disagree with them, so the point is mute.

What I'm disagreeing with, is statements that you have made such as DE can cause havoc with your digestive system. What you have done is made a scientifically correct statement such as the fact DE kills insects and how and then you have made an ( incorrect ) assumption that has no scientific basis. Because your original statement was correct you seem to believe that your assumed outworking of that fact is also correct. Of all people you should know better than that.

Another example you claimed that DE negatively affects medication but again provided no evidence for this.

So it's the negative comments about DE that you are making and not backing up that I'm disagreeing with.

Quoting one of your statements as you have, such as "it's nearly all Silica" is factually correct ( though again not backed up ) but these are not the statements I am challenging. Where have I said, DE is not composed largely of Silica or DE does not kill insects. So why do you use these statements?

Again I repeat it's your negative opinions of the human consumption of DE that are all unscientific and not backed up. These are the opinions that I'm taking issue with.