Translink/Metro Strike 30th November

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

Look at it this way

Average public sector "sick days" 12 per employee.
220,000 public sector employees in NI.
2640000 days lost.
Lets say 46 working weeks in the year (minus holidays)
230 working days.
Roughly 11,000 public sector workers covering sicks days.

21 years public service - 9 sick days:o

Please don't tar us all with your brush, 4 days in a row for hospitalized food poisioning and 5 single days over 21 years.

I will be the first to admit that colleagues take sick days for granted as part of annual leave but not ALL of us do.

saverbuyer

steveymp wrote: »

21 years public service - 9 sick days:o

Please don't tar us all with your brush, 4 days in a row for hospitalized food poisioning and 5 single days over 21 years.

I will be the first to admit that colleagues take sick days for granted as part of annual leave but not ALL of us do.

And please don't think that I think every public sector worker is the same. I don't but the fact remains that the public sector is funded but receipts from the private sector. The figure is actually twice as many sick per year. That's a lot of lost productivity. With the private sector in recession the receipts to fund the public sector lessen, the benefits available to private sector worker lessen.

There should be inevitable sacrifices on both sides.

In NI there are 2 private sector workers for every 1 public sector.

There are 2 private sector workers for every 1 DLA and ESA recipient. (I admit there will be overlap)

That is unhealthy and unsustainable.

D.A.

My question would be - are the union bosses going to be losing any pay for the day of strike action, in the same way as their members will be?

I think we should be told.

steveymp

D.A. wrote: »

My question would be - are the union bosses going to be losing any pay for the day of strike action, in the same way as their members will be?

I think we should be told.

The union bosses will be at work organising pickets and rallies so I would assume they are being paid:o

Members of the Unite Union are also entitled to a £30 payment from their union for striking, I think they are the only one doing this but I could be wrong.

donnac2558

Yes the bus driver I spoke to said he would get £30 for strike pay.

FurryPaws

AJQ1506 wrote: »

FurryPaws - You make a comparison between private and public sector. Can you explain how you think someone in the private sector will benefit from the proposed public sector pension reforms?

It sounds like you're saying that because private sector workers have had a raw deal, public sector workers should also get a raw deal - that is a race to the bottom for everyone.

How about you answer some of my opinions in my post? Oh that's right, you have blatantly disregarded them. Is it because this stereotype is true to yourself?

Btw, there was a report on private vs public sector job salary and it didn't find public sector workers to be on less salary. The admin type jobs you refer to are paid similar to private sector admin. I do agree the banks/bankers have alot to answer for but if there is no money (which there isn't) the deficit needs made up somehow.

I never said the private sector would 'benefit'. I am implying that private sector workers would feel less resentful - in fact everyone except union members would feel less resentful to public workers who are striking. But those in a union are being guided, blindly, by the puppet masters - the unions. Whoever heard of such lunacy as to pay Translink Unite union members £30 to strike and cause maximum disruption.

It's not a race to the bottom, it's more like getting public sector workers living in the real world again. As I said before, if you don't like the new terms of your employment then leave, plenty of unemployed will take up the position agreeing to the new terms.

emmett123

after reading a section of the posts on this thread, nad its really disheartneing to see the divisions among working people in either the public and private sector.

to my mind it is like a dogs fighting over the scraps off the table. my wee bit is not as big as your wee bit..

and over course that keeps your eyes off those who sit at table.

the politician and banker and property developers who got us into this mess are sitting pretty no matter what, and leave us to fight over the scraps.

Golden_Anemone

Yup! Well said Emmett. :T

And the millionaire Tory cabinet with their "solid platinum, diamond encrusted" pensions that they don't even have to work 40 years for are sitting back wetting themselves laughing at all of us. :eek:

shellymoo

not all public sector workers take sick leave as an entitled leave - i have been working in civil service for 5 years and i have had one sick day and many people in my office take sick days so do not tar us all with same brush. In addition there are measures in place to prevent people taking sick leave such as so many absences in a certain period of time triggers warnings and as such the person is not eligible for promotion etc so in fact they are hindering themselves.

Do not knock people for taking a job in the civil service - at times like these when everyone is desperate for a job do you really think people can afford to sit down and weigh up whether or not to take a public sector job because they feel the private sector are hard done by. I for one trained and studied very hard at university to get the degree and masters that i have and by no means have an easy job in the civil service and at the end of the day i am just glad i have a wage coming in at the end of the month rather than sitting trying to fight about who is worse off.

saverbuyer

shellymoo wrote: »

not all public sector workers take sick leave as an entitled leave - i have been working in civil service for 5 years and i have had one sick day and many people in my office take sick days so do not tar us all with same brush. In addition there are measures in place to prevent people taking sick leave such as so many absences in a certain period of time triggers warnings and as such the person is not eligible for promotion etc so in fact they are hindering themselves.

Do not knock people for taking a job in the civil service - at times like these when everyone is desperate for a job do you really think people can afford to sit down and weigh up whether or not to take a public sector job because they feel the private sector are hard done by. I for one trained and studied very hard at university to get the degree and masters that i have and by no means have an easy job in the civil service and at the end of the day i am just glad i have a wage coming in at the end of the month rather than sitting trying to fight about who is worse off.

Be that as it may the fact remains - The PRIVATE SECTOR pays your wages.