Translink/Metro Strike 30th November

BigAl94

There's always Clarkson's solution! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuuDnqSPnhA&feature=player_embedded

A.L.D.A

saverbuyer wrote: »

It really baffles me sometime how people either just don't get it or refuse to even attempt to.

Yes there is private sector business that has the public sector as its biggest customer.

Yes public workers “pay” tax, VAT etc. I'm not disputing this.

Where do you think this money ultimately comes from? Where does the government get the money to pay the public sector wages so the workers give the government a little of this back in the form of tax/VAT?

All this come from either borrowing or THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

I know this may be hard to accept but all your public sector wages are paid from someone in the public sector working to sell something to someone.

By all means fight for what you believe is a fair pension just don't expect the private sector to carry on paying for it. It isn’t happening.

To put it another way, for every £1 I charge I need to charge another 90p (approx) to pay for the public sector. That has all sorts of consequences regarding the overall viability of the economy.

45.45% of GDP is crippling or we all have to accept a much lower disposable income to counter balance the expenditure. There is a balance that has to be reached, I don't want private schools and health care.

IMO we should be aiming at around 30% of GDP. But when I hear of committees of those on the Hill flying off on some far off trade mission and moat dredging I simply despair. It typifies attitude towards public finances. We really do need a Scrooge in charge and people with the ability to simplify and the courage to axe anything that is not high priority.

saverbuyer

A.L.D.A wrote: »

To put it another way, for every £1 I charge I need to charge another 90p (approx) to pay for the public sector. That has all sorts of consequences regarding the overall viability of the economy.

45.45% of GDP is crippling or we all have to accept a much lower disposable income to counter balance the expenditure. There is a balance that has to be reached, I don't want private schools and health care.

IMO we should be aiming at around 30% of GDP. But when I hear of committees of those on the Hill flying off on some far off trade mission and moat dredging I simply despair. It typifies attitude towards public finances. We really do need a Scrooge in charge and people with the ability to simplify and the courage to axe anything that is not high priority.

30% probably isn't low enough for NI. We have 550,000 on some form of benefit and 240,000 in the public sector.

Those really are scary numbers. We have 480,000 private sector workers paying for 790,000 public sectors or on benefits. This doesn't even include the 50,000 in the third sector.

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

30% probably isn't low enough for NI. We have 550,000 on some form of benefit and 240,000 in the public sector.

Those really are scary numbers. We have 480,000 private sector workers paying for 790,000 public sectors or on benefits. This doesn't even include the 50,000 in the third sector.

So we agree that we need to get the 550,000 off benefit and into meaningful employment :T

Do we also need to get all the tax office staff employed in Northern Ireland, handling all UK taxes reassigned back to Glasgow or Newcastle, that will help our economy after all. Lets close a few more Schools and Hospitals while we are at it, just don't complain when you have to wait a few months longer for an appointment or procedure;) But that won't worry you as all the money you will have by not paying tax for public services will mean you can go BUPA and send your offspring for Private education :T

Cameron has succeeded in pitting Private against Public and you are doing his work well :T:T:T

saverbuyer

steveymp wrote: »

So we agree that we need to get the 550,000 off benefit and into meaningful employment :T

Do we also need to get all the tax office staff employed in Northern Ireland, handling all UK taxes reassigned back to Glasgow or Newcastle, that will help our economy after all. Lets close a few more Schools and Hospitals while we are at it, just don't complain when you have to wait a few months longer for an appointment or procedure;) But that won't worry you as all the money you will have by not paying tax for public services will mean you can go BUPA and send your offspring for Private education :T

Cameron has succeeded in pitting Private against Public and you are doing his work well :T:T:T

About 290,000 of them are pensioners on pension credit or state pension but there's going to be room for the others.

I really don't get why you think job cuts mean poor service. That's really doesn't have to be the case.

As pointed out earlier in the thread there all the red tape, the twice as many sick days and the 3% rise in pension contributions for a start. If we need to trim the public sector by a 30-40% I'd rather be paying them 65 a week on dole than 20K plus the infrastructure costs.

What we actually need is to grow our private sector. That way we collect more taxes and we all get richer.

JulieElizabeth

We need to all be encouraged to smoke and drink and eat chips all day, then we'll all die early and there won't be a pensions crisis.

starnight_2

saverbuyer wrote: »

About 290,000 of them are pensioners on pension credit or state pension but there's going to be room for the others.

So I can assume everyone on here who doesn't like public sector pensions at least have their own private pensions? As if not you will be collecting a state pension right? Which I believe is paid for by tax payers money, what if this becomes unteneble? As you know people are living longer.

I'm not disagreeing with all points, but some people being bitter about the recession are directing their anger at the strikers. I'm more than happy to work til I'm 67 IF I'm still capable of it.

saverbuyer

starnight wrote: »

So I can assume everyone on here who doesn't like public sector pensions at least have their own private pensions? As if not you will be collecting a state pension right? Which I believe is paid for by tax payers money, what if this becomes unteneble? As you know people are living longer.

I'm not disagreeing with all points, but some people being bitter about the recession are directing their anger at the strikers. I'm more than happy to work til I'm 67 IF I'm still capable of it.

You still get a state pension on top of your company pension. You just pay tax on both.

NAR

saverbuyer wrote: »

You still get a state pension on top of your company pension. You just pay tax on both.

And how many private sector workers have one? This % is dropping all the time as new workers are not signing up for works pensions (if one is even offered) because they have seen what has happened to private sector pension pots.

saverbuyer

NAR wrote: »

And how many private sector workers have one? This % is dropping all the time as new workers are not signing up for works pensions (if one is even offered) because they have seen what has happened to private sector pension pots.

I would suggest it's incumbent on all to save towards their retirement.