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Chain store in towns christmas workers are all unpaid? Whatever next!
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Erm lets see. How much free training or mentoring is required for shelf stacking? Is it normal practice to charge for a reference if you were a paid employee?saintjammyswine wrote: »Why should a company that is providing free training, mentoring, reference, entry on a cv etc then have to pay for doing this?Wanted a job, now have one. :beer:0 -
Erm lets see. How much free training or mentoring is required for shelf stacking? Is it normal practice to charge for a reference if you were a paid employee?
Who mentioned shelf stacking?
We have already established there are some companies out there not doing the placements as they should be, not going over it again thanks.
Not normal to charge for a reference for an employee, no. For people who have been out of employment long term or who have never been employed, to have a reference from an employer is a major boost to their CV.0 -
An actual paid job is that was not filled by someone doing it for £0 per hour is a much bigger boost to a CV. That it may be a boost to their CV does not justify utilising them as £0 per hour employees - plus if they were that good you'd think the company would keep them on (which they don't because it's just free labour to them, pure and simple). A 12 month stretch is a much bigger boost to a CV than is 4/8 weeks.saintjammyswine wrote: »For people who have been out of employment long term or who have never been employed, to have a reference from an employer is a major boost to their CV.
Please do provide examples of Workfare employers that are not Tesco, Poundland, Poundworld, Asda, Matalan, etc all offering menial jobs which require no training and are just slave labour on the cheap. Truth is majority of the Workfare "jobs" out there are shelf stacking.Wanted a job, now have one. :beer:0 -
An actual paid job is that was not filled by someone doing it for £0 per hour is a much bigger boost to a CV.
Right, they are not jobs, they are work experience placements.
And what do you say to the companies that will be recruiting in the new year that are providing industry relevant training to people? Are they in the wrong for doing this?
Should I call them and ask them not to provide this service because the queue of people waiting to go on these placements might feel they are being exploited?
The people that have gone through this programme already that have found employment because of the reasons I listed previously were all wrong I suppose?
OK since your edit:
"That it may be a boost to their CV does not justify utilising them as £0 per hour employees - plus if they were that good you'd think the company would keep them on (which they don't because it's just free labour to them, pure and simple"
Which they have for the best candidates. All have interviews and register with the agency that they use when temporary staff are requried.
"Please do provide examples of Workfare employers that are not Tesco, Poundland, Poundworld, Asda, Matalan, etc all offering menial jobs which require no training and are just slave labour on the cheap. Truth is majority of the Workfare "jobs" out there are shelf stacking"
Once the pilots have finished and it is in the public arena I will. Until then I am unable to name the employer, sorry. Not shelf stacking and certainly not slave labour.0 -
But wouldn't it be better if those companies took that person on in an actual job? The work is there to be done or they wouldn't have them in a placement.
Potential employers may just look at it and say oh but you did that because you had to so it's not really going to help on a CV.0 -
Please do provide examples of Workfare employers that are not Tesco, Poundland, Poundworld, Asda, Matalan, etc all offering menial jobs which require no training and are just slave labour on the cheap. Truth is majority of the Workfare "jobs" out there are shelf stacking.
The attitude that many jobs are "menial" and below the unemployed is one of the reasons that so many people have problems getting a job.0 -
But wouldn't it be better if those companies took that person on in an actual job? The work is there to be done or they wouldn't have them in a placement.
Potential employers may just look at it and say oh but you did that because you had to so it's not really going to help on a CV.
They dont have the vacancies for staff but are providing training etc for the 4 week placements. There will be vacancies in the new year and these candidates will be at the top of the list as they have already been interviewed and had some of the new staff induction training. They have also had industry specific training that will help them get work in the industry with other employers that have the same technology if they are not successful this time.0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »The attitude that many jobs are "menial" and below the unemployed is one of the reasons that so many people have problems getting a job.
Hadn't picked up on that thanks.
Menial to you maybe but to someone who has never worked, comes from a home with multi-generational worklessness and has multiple barriers to employment or training, a "menial job" is still a job.0 -
It doesn't take four weeks to train someone to stack shelves in a supermarket or fold clothes in a charity shop. These companies and charities are clearly taking the mick.saintjammyswine wrote: »They dont have the vacancies for staff but are providing training etc for the 4 week placements. There will be vacancies in the new year and these candidates will be at the top of the list as they have already been interviewed and had some of the new staff induction training. They have also had industry specific training that will help them get work in the industry with other employers that have the same technology if they are not successful this time.0 -
Vincent_Buenisedes wrote: »It doesn't take four weeks to train someone to stack shelves in a supermarket or fold clothes in a charity shop. These companies and charities are clearly taking the mick.
You havent read my other posts about these positions have you?0
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