Driving licence query

kizkiz

And in the real world.....
HORT/1 forms are not used on their own anymore in the Met.
Everything is on pnc,so we have no need for them. If they are given out, there is no procedure for ever checking them
The only time you will get one is on an FPN, as part of the form. This gives you the seven days to produce.
You're not going to get in trouble for not producing your licence at the roadside

Rover_Driver

Big_Nige wrote: »

You are very unlikely to be charged for failing to produce documents within the alloted time, It isn't called "the thin blue line" for nothing. Most police officers & staff will have the common sense to either give an extension on the 7 days if the person provided a loss report (from the police) or would check the PNC for DL details. Police are usually "out catching the real criminals" & not going to get embroilled in non production of driving licence if it has been reported lost & awaiting replacemnent from DVLA.

That is covered by s.164, (8)(b) Road Traffic Act 1988:

'He produced them* in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable'

* licence and counterpart

The_Turner

kizkiz wrote: »

And in the real world.....
HORT/1 forms are not used on their own anymore in the Met.
Everything is on pnc,so we have no need for them. If they are given out, there is no procedure for ever checking them
The only time you will get one is on an FPN, as part of the form. This gives you the seven days to produce.
You're not going to get in trouble for not producing your licence at the roadside

Except between 9 and 11 on a Sunday morning when the PNC is down.;)

Rover_Driver

The_Turner wrote: »

I know which is why I posted.

Its the 'five days for an injury collision' that makes no difference.

Trebor16

The_Turner wrote: »

No, you are given 7 days to produce it. If you fail to do so the offence is comitted on the day you fail to produce at the roadside. Section 164 covers it.

In post 9 you said this:-

"Although it is still an offence to fail to produce it to a police officer on demand. "

As there is no legal requirement for drivers to carry their licence then it would not be an offence if having been stopped that a person didn't have their licence on them.

Trebor16

The_Turner wrote: »

I also suspect if you do your homework that it's still five days for an injury collision.

If you do your homework you will find that it is seven days after a road traffic collision, not five.

The_Turner

Trebor16 wrote: »

In post 9 you said this:-

"Although it is still an offence to fail to produce it to a police officer on demand. "

As there is no legal requirement for drivers to carry their licence then it would not be an offence if having been stopped that a person didn't have their licence on them.

Where did you do your legal training?

What part of section 164 are you saying is wrong?

Trebor16

Big_Nige wrote: »

You are very unlikely to be charged for failing to produce documents within the alloted time, It isn't called "the thin blue line" for nothing. Most police officers & staff will have the common sense to either give an extension on the 7 days if the person provided a loss report (from the police) or would check the PNC for DL details. Police are usually "out catching the real criminals" & not going to get embroilled in non production of driving licence if it has been reported lost & awaiting replacemnent from DVLA.

It is not possible for an extension to be given. The law allows seven days to produce and a station officer or police officer cannot extend this under any circumstances.

The_Turner

Trebor16 wrote: »

If you do your homework you will find that it is seven days after a road traffic collision, not five.

I said injury and don't recall the fact it has every been changed. It may well have been but since you claim to be an expert you will tell us when.

Rover_Driver

Trebor16 wrote: »

In post 9 you said this:-

"Although it is still an offence to fail to produce it to a police officer on demand. "

As there is no legal requirement for drivers to carry their licence then it would not be an offence if having been stopped that a person didn't have their licence on them.

That is why there is the statutory defence written into the act if the licence is produced within 7 days at a Police Station.