e petition asking for internet constrols on !!!!!! etc

surfsister

the crux of the matter is the girls in the films felt pressurised to do things they didn't want to and if they imitate sounds they hear on the !!!!!! videos how much real enjoyment are they getting??

Lotus-eater

surfsister wrote: »

the crux of the matter is the girls in the films felt pressurised to do things they didn't want to and if they imitate sounds they hear on the !!!!!! videos how much real enjoyment are they getting??

Yes I saw that too, but the program was starting to put things right and it has been on TV at least a couple of times.
I suspect there are many on here that support you, who wouldn't let their kids watch that program and there we have the crux of the problem, hiding things and not bringing them out into the open.

You can't ban or get rid of !!!!!!, it's undoable. At the best you would drive it underground, where kids would still see it.

surfsister

very true lotus-eater it's a paradox parents let their kids watch !!!!!! (unwittingly or not) but not the programs which may actually help the kids learn what's good and not about sex.

so basically as the TV program showed parents (especially women many of whom have never seen any) need to watch some of the !!!!!! to be shocked into using parental controls.

MissMitch

surfsister wrote: »

the crux of the matter is the girls in the films felt pressurised to do things they didn't want to and if they imitate sounds they hear on the !!!!!! videos how much real enjoyment are they getting??

I'm quite sure that the majority of the girls are more than happy to appear in the films, do whatever is required, get paid whatever and get their 15 minutes of fame. There is a tendancy to make films where it looks like they're picking a strange girl off the street and subjecting her to all sorts of things, but believe me the majority of pornstars are doing what they're doing because they want to and because they enjoy it, I doubt they do it because they have confidence issues, perhaps just the opposite.

I think part of the problem is that most of the mainstream !!!!!! currently caters to male fantasy rather than including female fantasy, although there is more 'natualistic' !!!!!! out there. But if you sheild girls from it, treat them like a victim of it, tell them what they shouldn't be enjoying or what they shouldn't be screaming at the top of their voices during the act, then you are perpetuating this.

Acknowledge that the female of the species can love a happy, healthy and as adventurous as she likes sex life too, without attaching massively outdated and unhelpful attitudes to her behaviour and you go some way to redressing the balance. In healthier cultural contexts a fully sexualised woman would have been seen as the epitome of confidence and femininity.

surfsister

MissMitch wrote: »

I'm quite sure that the majority of the girls are more than happy to appear in the films, do whatever is required, get paid whatever and get their 15 minutes of fame. There is a tendancy to make films where it looks like they're picking a strange girl off the street and subjecting her to all sorts of things, but believe me the majority of pornstars are doing what they're doing because they want to and because they enjoy it, I doubt they do it because they have confidence issues, perhaps just the opposite.

I think part of the problem is that most of the mainstream !!!!!! currently caters to male fantasy rather than including female fantasy, although there is more 'natualistic' !!!!!! out there. But if you sheild girls from it, treat them like a victim of it, tell them what they shouldn't be enjoying or what they shouldn't be screaming at the top of their voices during the act, then you are perpetuating this.

Acknowledge that the female of the species can love a happy, healthy and as adventurous as she likes sex life too, without attaching massively outdated and unhelpful attitudes to her behaviour and you go some way to redressing the balance. In healthier cultural contexts a fully sexualised woman would have been seen as the epitome of confidence and femininity.

no sorry I meant the educational films about sex in which the girls said that they view !!!!!! with their boyfriends and felt pressurised into anal/oral sex as the norm and also !!!!!! makes them feel lacking in looks/thinness/too hairy etc. not those in the sex films!! not one said they actually enjoy the !!!!!! either!!

Arg

So in otherwords we should ban !!!!!! to cater to some sexist womens whims?
:think:

suited-aces

Arg wrote: »

So in otherwords we should ban !!!!!! to cater to some sexist womens whims?
:think:

Now you've got it!

MissMitch

surfsister wrote: »

no sorry I meant the educational films about sex in which the girls said that they view !!!!!! with their boyfriends and felt pressurised into anal/oral sex as the norm and also !!!!!! makes them feel lacking in looks/thinness/too hairy etc. not those in the sex films!! not one said they actually enjoy the !!!!!! either!!

ok, misunderstood that, but I still don't see how banning !!!!!! promotes healthier sexual attitudes than openness and education about sex and sexual practices, discussion and non-judgemental attitudes. Kids should be coming out of schools more emotionally equiped to deal with the modern world, not just with a bunch of skills that will get them into employment. A girl should have it absolutely instilled in her that she has the right to say yes or no to anything she wants to do, not told what she is or isn't allowed to enjoy. I would never have done anything I didn't want to. But making her the 'victim' of !!!!!!, and driving sex underground only perpetuates the insecurities...not !!!!!! itself. I don't suppose young Masai tribesmen walk around going "Nice wrack, darling!" all day long because for them bare-breasted women are the norm.

As I have said, girls (and boys) are made to feel inferior every day, but that is a reflection of our culture as a whole not an exposure to sexual practices and the naked form, and we seriously need to look at changing our attitudes to what consistutes beauty etc...and for me, and this is the last time I'm going to say it...honest, the responsibility lies first and foremost with parents and educators!

surfsister

Arg wrote: »

So in otherwords we should ban !!!!!! to cater to some sexist womens whims?
:think:

how can girls be sexist just because !!!!!! makes them feel too fat, hairy or inadequate sexually??? these girls were size 8!!

bobajob_1966

surfsister wrote: »

the crux of the matter is the girls in the films felt pressurised to do things they didn't want to and if they imitate sounds they hear on the !!!!!! videos how much real enjoyment are they getting??

I had not seen any !!!!!! when I was a teenager, I felt pressured into doing things I was not comfortable with. That pressure came from other girls, not from men.

Peer pressure is a part of growing up. Do you really think that banning it is going to change anything?