John Peters in Liquidation

texranger

nofurniture wrote: »

E mail 1 dated 10th November "I regret to inform you that the Chinese supplier of your goods has suspended production and we do not think we can supply your order. If we are able to deliver, we will contact you again. Sorry..."

Actually John Peters never paid the chinese supplier so they wont release any goods.

nofurniture wrote: »

E Mail 2 dated 11th November "I regret that none of the monies you have paid have been received by this company and we cannot therefore use those funds to supply stock. Sorry..."

Actually you paid John Peters and not us at OCS, so we have no legal contract with you to supply any goods.

nofurniture

Latest email from OCS


"I am sure that's correct. The problem is that you paid the monies to John Peters and obviously not to Oak Contracts. You recourse now should be to contact your credit card provider for a refund. I hope that clarifies things a bit."

As I have never been in this situation before, I have, therefore, not fully understood what is going on. But why have I been wasting my time contacting OCS, as instructed by O'Hara & Co. if they (OCS) had no intention of helping people. My letter from O'Hara, as I am sure many others did, stated 'The Buyer has agreed to use its reasonable endeavours to honour the Company's contracts with its customers.' Obviously NOT

wealdroam

I did post some advice earlier... in post #10.

But in case anyone missed it, here it is again...

wealdroam wrote: »

It will be worth looking into whether you can use Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 to recover your money.

Have a read of MSE's Section 75 Refunds article.

If that's not possible, then as mentioned earlier the Debit Card chargeback scheme should work.
This is also described towards the bottom of that article I linked to above.

There are also two sample letters, one for section 75 and one for chargeback, in that linked to document that you might like to use.

namtas

I am one who paid in full by CC, I emailed (OCS) as instructed by O'Hara, I have also sent a letter enquiry by recorded delivery. To date I have received nothing back from anyone, which causes me to wonder if any others who paid in full on CC have had anything back from them? If not isn't it a coincidence, that those that have paid a deposit be it Debit Card or Cash could just be viewed more useful to them. After all those that have paid cash have I believe been told they could lose their money and may be tempted to be succoured into paying the balance to get their goods, others paying by direct debit and not aware of the Charge-back facility may be also tempted to hand over more cash. Either way it is easy to see that OCS see potential cash out there that they can grab, I would not give this outfit or any associated business another penny of my money ever again and today via the internet it is so easy to find out who is linked to who. The reassuring thing for me is that we have site like this that at least gives us some element of collectivity

nofurniture

Many thanks. I understand what is going on now. I just find it strange that I have had to through the waste of time contacting OCS and O'Hara when all along it was a pile of p***s.

texranger

OCS were sold the assets of John Peters from O'Hara ( buildings, fixtures and fittings and any floor stock that were fully paid and the property of John Peters) as OCS took over what was left of JP then yes O'Haras would pass everyone onto them, but as OCS are a different company with mo money from JP then they would just try and sell you their products like any business, so you would have to pay deposits again, but as OCS seems to be run my the cussins that ran JP this is something i would not do.

nofurniture

This is the reply I have received from OCS when I asked them why I had been wasting my time e mailing them, as instructed by O'Hara. By the way it was sent to me this morning at 04.47.

"Not so.. that;s all we are doing.. with the support of the Merchant Service Provider, trying to supply customer orders.. but since we have received none of these monies, we cannot buy and supply goods when we have no money to cover the costs.. which is all we are trying to achieve here..


I understand your frustration but in this case, we have nowhere to go because we have none of your money.


With apologies"

Luckily for me I had paid by credit card and my provider is being more than helpful.

texranger

nofurniture wrote: »

This is the reply I have received from OCS when I asked them why I had been wasting my time e mailing them, as instructed by O'Hara. By the way it was sent to me this morning at 04.47.

"Not so.. that;s all we are doing.. with the support of the Merchant Service Provider, trying to supply customer orders.. but since we have received none of these monies, we cannot buy and supply goods when we have no money to cover the costs.. which is all we are trying to achieve here..


I understand your frustration but in this case, we have nowhere to go because we have none of your money.


With apologies"

Luckily for me I had paid by credit card and my provider is being more than helpful.

some points of this are correct they wont have any deposits paid to JP, so they cant order goods for JP customers.

but this

with the support of the Merchant Service Provider, trying to supply customer orders

cant be true as how can a merchant service provider help in anyway, they are just their as a middleman between a business and a bank, a way for money paid to you and passed to your bank.

namtas

Someone with more knowledge may have some thoughts on the position. A number of comments seem to place some doubt that goods ordered and paid either in full or with a deposit may never have been ordered from the supplier, if this was so ( some orders in excess of 3 months ) would this be case that fraud may have been committed?

texranger

namtas wrote: »

Someone with more knowledge may have some thoughts on the position. A number of comments seem to place some doubt that goods ordered and paid either in full or with a deposit may never have been ordered from the supplier, if this was so ( some orders in excess of 3 months ) would this be case that fraud may have been committed?

regardless as JP has been liquidated then their is no chance of getting any money back and as a ltd company any director is only liable for their share amount, so if JP ltd had 5 directors each with a £1 share, then when the company liquidated each directors liablity would be a £1, so they all pay the receiver their £1s then thats their liability paid.
it is then the receivers job to sell off the companies assets to pay off its debts and i am afraid the first one on that list is HMRC and the banks, paying customers are the last ones on the list.