Prams on buses

katerinasol

When I have kids, I'm going to either walk or drive with a pram/buggy. They have wheels for a reason and shedding the post-pregnancy weight certainly won't hurt!

smileylondongal

katerinasol wrote: »

When I have kids, I'm going to either walk or drive with a pram/buggy. They have wheels for a reason and shedding the post-pregnancy weight certainly won't hurt!

that's nice, perhaps you won't have far to go??

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Lokolo_2 wrote: »

No, she has a valid point. Many people with Prams just expect everyone around them to bow down to them as if they were something special.:cool:

Except she didn't say that, did she?

She said:
There is'nt room on public transport for the luxury of a pram
If you want to take a pram everywhere take a taxi.
Women who take prams on a bus should be charged for the priviledge

Which was, quite frankly, a load of rubbish.

MamaMoo_2

All this debating about who is healthier and who is more deserving is a moot point really. The seats are there for prams/pushchairs etc, the old lady knew this, so knew she was taking her chances sitting there. There are seats on buses, right next to the buggy spaces around here, for the elderly/disabled etc.
The pram seats are available for, shock horror, prams, and therefore there is no need to argue as to whether the mother should fold down her pram, as there was a space allocated for her pram. It's fairly straightforward.
Anyhow, I'm off shopping, with my pram, on the bus.
Convenience is a wonderful thing.

zaksmum

MamaMoo wrote: »

All this debating about who is healthier and who is more deserving is a moot point really. The seats are there for prams/pushchairs etc, the old lady knew this, so knew she was taking her chances sitting there. There are seats on buses, right next to the buggy spaces around here, for the elderly/disabled etc.
The pram seats are available for, shock horror, prams, and therefore there is no need to argue as to whether the mother should fold down her pram, as there was a space allocated for her pram. It's fairly straightforward.
Anyhow, I'm off shopping, with my pram, on the bus.
Convenience is a wonderful thing.

The pram seats are not available for ONLY prams. They are also for disabled people and this old lady was disabled.

Gavin83

In my eyes that area is for the following in this order:

Wheelchair users > people with prams/buggies > disabled/elderly > everyone else

If someone further up that list appears then they should move. Elderly/disabled people have their own seats on the bus, I really don't see why they need this one as well.

I'm not old, I'm not disabled and I don't have kids so I consider this an unbiased view.

custardy

zaksmum wrote: »

The pram seats are not available for ONLY prams. They are also for disabled people and this old lady was disabled.

that doesnt quite tally with your opening statement

The old lady said she couldn't move to the back of the bus, then the driver called out "that seat's for prams, you will HAVE to move!"

Nicki

zaksmum wrote: »

The pram seats are not available for ONLY prams. They are also for disabled people and this old lady was disabled.

Maybe it depends on the bus then, because the signage on my local buses are explicit that they are not disabled seats. The SPACE around them is for disabled users as a first priority, ie wheelchairs, but the seat is a regular seat. The sign makes clear that if a wheelchair wants to use that space everyone else, be it a pushchair or an old lady on crutches must move. If not needed for wheelchairs, then the next priority is pushchairs. On our local buses there are 8 other seats on the bottom deck which are designated as priority for disabled, elderly or pregnant, but not the one you are describing.

On the bus you are describing, is there only one disabled seat, situated in this area then? If there are more disabled seats, on the day in question were they all being occupied by disabled people? If not, why are the non disabled people occupying the designated disabled seats towards the front of the bus who didnt move to let the old lady sit there when the pushchair got on less rather than more cupable than the mother trying to occupy the one space set aside for her in the circumstances you have described?

There's been a lot of talk on this thread about "in my day we folded the pushchair down" but my memory is that in those days (ie when I was a child) the older women supported the younger ones, and would help them out with their other children, smile and be pleasant to them and keep a toddler occupied while mum dealt with the baby. Quite different from sitting sour faced, tutting as the young mum struggles to juggle her children, and announcing loudly that it is her own problem for choosing to have children in the first place! just a thought, but maybe the buses decided to redesign their buses to accomodate unfolded pushchairs in response to the older generation becoming more mean spirited and unpleasant, and those who don't like to see prams on a bus are reaping what they sowed.

zaksmum

Nicki wrote: »

Maybe it depends on the bus then, because the signage on my local buses are explicit that they are not disabled seats. The SPACE around them is for disabled users as a first priority, ie wheelchairs, but the seat is a regular seat. The sign makes clear that if a wheelchair wants to use that space everyone else, be it a pushchair or an old lady on crutches must move. If not needed for wheelchairs, then the next priority is pushchairs. On our local buses there are 8 other seats on the bottom deck which are designated as priority for disabled, elderly or pregnant, but not the one you are describing.

On the bus you are describing, is there only one disabled seat, situated in this area then? If there are more disabled seats, on the day in question were they all being occupied by disabled people? If not, why are the non disabled people occupying the designated disabled seats towards the front of the bus who didnt move to let the old lady sit there when the pushchair got on less rather than more cupable than the mother trying to occupy the one space set aside for her in the circumstances you have described?

There's been a lot of talk on this thread about "in my day we folded the pushchair down" but my memory is that in those days (ie when I was a child) the older women supported the younger ones, and would help them out with their other children, smile and be pleasant to them and keep a toddler occupied while mum dealt with the baby. Quite different from sitting sour faced, tutting as the young mum struggles to juggle her children, and announcing loudly that it is her own problem for choosing to have children in the first place! just a thought, but maybe the buses decided to redesign their buses to accomodate unfolded pushchairs in response to the older generation becoming more mean spirited and unpleasant, and those who don't like to see prams on a bus are reaping what they sowed.

The window by these seats had a wheelchair and pram logo. There's a similar seat directly opposite which was occupied by a pram. There's no indication which takes priority. The next row of seats, 2 either side, have a small sign saying "Please give up these seats for someone less able to stand" and these seats were all occupied by young people, most of whom had headphones on. None of these attempted to move for the old lady. And she wasn't sitting tutting - it was such a huge effort for her to move it was painful to see.

Everyone has - and is entitled to - an opinion on this matter. Mine is simply that the old lady shouldn't have been made to move seats. If I'd tried to get on that bus I'd have got off and waited for the next one rather than make a disabled old lady move.

custardy

zaksmum wrote: »

The window by these seats had a wheelchair and pram logo. There's a similar seat directly opposite which was occupied by a pram. There's no indication which takes priority. The next row of seats, 2 either side, have a small sign saying "Please give up these seats for someone less able to stand" and these seats were all occupied by young people, most of whom had headphones on. None of these attempted to move for the old lady. And she wasn't sitting tutting - it was such a huge effort for her to move it was painful to see.

Everyone has - and is entitled to - an opinion on this matter. Mine is simply that the old lady shouldn't have been made to move seats. If I'd tried to get on that bus I'd have got off and waited for the next one rather than make a disabled old lady move.

so the sign indicates it is a space for wheelchair and pram users
the lady was/is neither
your real issue is with those sitting in the "Please give up these seats for someone less able to stand" seats.