Income support

Mupette

Sixer wrote: »

I think Mupette has come in for some unfair criticism.

She has MS - a fluctuating condition. She is capable of work at some points but not at others. So a full-time, permanent job is not really a viable option for her. ESA makes allowance for this and so she is entitled to keep on claiming it, even at the points where she is capable of work.

As a single parent household, she comes under income-based ESA. When she gets married, she will no longer be entitled to the benefit - not because her fitness to work situation has changed, but because her household's financial capacity to support her has changed.

It therefore seems entirely sensible and not in the least deceitful for Mupette to start making plans about doing work she can do during those points in her fluctuating condition.

this is the reason of me thinking the agency would of been better,

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But, again, isn't that the sort of situation that the Permitted Work scheme is intended to cover?

With an agency.. if i start to feel ill, then i can say.. i need some time off..if i can make it to a friday for example.. give as much warning as i possibly can..

the permitted to work thing... i can see where you are comming from older, that i would still get money even if i am ill... but hasnt the law just changed this week about sickness and holiday for agency staff... not found or read anything, my dad has just said on the phone..

both come with risks that i would have no wages, but even on permitted to work i would still have to pay full HB/CT

It is all confusing, yes i will book an appointment with dwp about this..

sixer has said it all really.

an yet there are some thinking i am trying to screw the system,

I just want a job i can do, be accepted and get on with my life, i've just endured 2 years of hell, but have found now i have moved into an adapted home, i feel happier and less stressed, and feel that it is time i try and work, even if i wasnt getting married next year, i would still feel this way, i've worked most of my adult life, fitted around my son, but i still worked.

Sixer

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

And just when did I do any of those things? You need to go back and re read the thread before throwing accusations around!

Rightbackatcha, Oldernotwiser. When did I accuse you of anything?! I can assess your contribution to this thread if you'd like me to:

You followed the "swinging the lead" accusations I was complaining about with what *could* have been helpful advice about permitted work but which actually made Mupette feel as though you were agreeing with the accusations because of your abrupt tone and forensic and OT questioning about her son et al.

I don't have any beef with you personally at all. But that you thought I did should tell you something quite important about the way YOUR posts often make people you say you're advising helpfully feel.

On a general note and with "you" meaning "lots of you guys" not "you personally, Oldernotwiser" - I do think that if you, or any other posters hereabouts, actually want to help people, it would help if your tone and online persona came across as helpful rather than critical, rude and aggressive.

I get it that it's a continual debate on here. I get it that, viewed objectively, bluntness doesn't necessarily break the forum rules or even constitute actual rudeness or abuse. But since the forum is set up to help people, and since people asking for help state over and over and over again that they don't feel helped, they feel judged, it seems to me that those offering help should rethink the way they're giving it. You aren't helping anyone if you make them feel judged, suspected or pressured, however virtuous you feel about your posting style.

Mupette

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

And just when did I do any of those things? You need to go back and re read the thread before throwing accusations around!

I do believe she/he was not pointing the finger at you, but in general there are some (you included) where jumping on the 'daily mail' all benifits claimaints are cheats wagon. You know you do,

But i don't want to start the he said she said thing here,

this is about what i can try and do to get off benefits correctly, how i would cope and survive, knowing my circumstances will change next year, and how i want to something now rather than later,

after just coming out of a relapse i feel ok (ish) next week i could be back down again, but whilst i am up, i want to try and do something that i know i would be capable of.

I'd be happy sitting on a till at asda, if i had to clean dirty stinking toilets (if i could cope with the manual side of it) i'd want to have a go at it.


As long as the job is minimum wage or above then i want to do it.
But even i know i have to tread carefully and not overdo things.
I'm RRMS which isn't as severe as PPMS but i do suffer on the bad days... Those with MS and similar neuro illness know just what that is like, and i can understand how those who don't may not understand.. Blimey i've had enough people in my past say i was just lazy, or felt that it was just life because they get tired too...

mazza111

Good Luck with it Mupette. MS can be very debilitating when it strikes and you have a relapse. It used to be that you could claim IB even when part of a couple. With the new ESA it would be up to your partner to support you. When you move in together, the DWP will look upon you as a couple. All I can think of you claiming really is WTC and CTC (if your son is in full time education). You will still get the allowances for you being disabled.

I've woke up yesterday and felt like I should be out working rather than on benefits. But when I woke up today I realise there's no way I could cope with a job. Took me an hour to get my knees working before I could get out of bed. Not to mention the other bits.

Speak to the advisers at the local job center. But don't rule out work from the agency you referred to.

Again the moral high ground is taken by some on MSE

Mupette

Well i have finally got through to someone who could help me, i have now got an appointment with an esa advisor next thursday.

Hopefully this is the start of something