"terminate and test 5 No electric sockets" ???

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fluffpot wrote: »

When you asked what the charge was for, they replied

"As explained at our meeting last week the electricians had to remake the sockets fitted by yourself and test this is the cost for this."

If it was me, I'd be asking why they had to 'remake' the sockets. If they had been incorrectly installed then perhaps they had to refit correctly? And if they retested them then you should be entitled to a copy of the test results

They had to "remake" them because that is what an electrician has to do this to verify they are safe so he can complete the installation certificates.....

It doesn't matter whether the OP done them correctly or not.

The OP decided upon himself to alter the installation in an empty premises before the installation was tested & signed off & without asking if it was ok to do it.

The electrician has to redo his work & it is not a matter of choice.

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Leif wrote: »

Why not? The kitchen fitter (very experienced) expected to find live sockets and a new consumer unit, and had to chase after the builder to get electrics in a state suitable for his installation.

Because ITS FULLY COVERED BY PART P!!!

Leif

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Because ITS FULLY COVERED BY PART P!!!

I'm sorry, but you keep making statements without explanation as if it is obvious. I do not understand the above. Please explain what you mean, and stop writing in such a confrontational way. I have asked the question because I do not understand what they have done and several electricians on another site have told me they think I am being screwed/insulted by the project manager.

Leif

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

They had to "remake" them because that is what an electrician has to do this to verify they are safe so he can complete the installation certificates.....

It doesn't matter whether the OP done them correctly or not.

The OP decided upon himself to alter the installation in an empty premises before the installation was tested & signed off & without asking if it was ok to do it.

The electrician has to redo his work & it is not a matter of choice.

If I had not touched the sockets in the house outside of the kitchen, and they were the original ones, why would they not have had to remake them? So why did they remake the ones where I had replaced the covers?

Incidentally, in the full "Domestic Electrical Installation Certificate" there is no mention of remaking the sockets, only:

• "Alterations and additions to electrical installation associated with the kitchen"
• "New consumer unit"
• ""Upgraded man protective bonding conductors to the water and gas incoming services"

So according to you, during 6 weeks I was not allowed to do anything on the electrics, no matter how minor, and there was no obligation on the project manager to tell me that? And why on earth would they wait 6 weeks after the kitchen install before doing the consumer unit?

pauletruth

if anything would you not do the fuse box first. then go on to the kitchen. i don't see why there was a 6 week wait it makes no sense. before you pay insist that they explain why there was a delay. how did the other parts of the job go anyother problems or was it just this trades person.

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pauletruth wrote: »

if anything would you not do the fuse box first. then go on to the kitchen. i don't see why there was a 6 week wait it makes no sense. before you pay insist that they explain why there was a delay. how did the other parts of the job go anyother problems or was it just this trades person.

Because they would have to test again after the kitchen install.

Don't forget this is a building site not an occupied premises.

Leif

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Because they would have to test again after the kitchen install.

Don't forget this is a building site not an occupied premises.

Not really no, it is a house that I am working on, and there is no excuse for almost 2 months between wiring the kitchen and installing the fuse box and testing. And several electricians have told me there was no requirement to remove and put back the sockets in rooms outside the kitchen. So they are trying to charge for work that was not required or asked for.

I still don't understand why they claim to have tested the sockets as an extra. Testing them all at the start is bad practice as they have no idea what happens in the two month wait, so they should do the formal tests at the end.

DVardysShadow

Leif wrote: »

Not really no, it is a house that I am working on, and there is no excuse for almost 2 months between wiring the kitchen and installing the fuse box and testing. And several electricians have told me there was no requirement to remove and put back the sockets in rooms outside the kitchen. So they are trying to charge for work that was not required or asked for.

I still don't understand why they claim to have tested the sockets as an extra. Testing them all at the start is bad practice as they have no idea what happens in the two month wait, so they should do the formal tests at the end.

Roughly, I agree with you. They should not be hanging around delaying the testing. Once they have done their job, they should test, issue the cert, collect their money and be gone.

It looks to me like they knew about the sockets being connected later and used the testing delay as an opportunity to up the bill. But if they were not prepared to test the sockets without charging more, they should have raised the matter at the time - or disconnected them at the last port of call on the circuit that they were prepared to test.

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DVardysShadow wrote: »

or disconnected them at the last port of call on the circuit that they were prepared to test.

Its the ring

You can't disconnect anything on a ring & even if they could it would mean the same rework costs.

DVardysShadow

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Its the ring

You can't disconnect anything on a ring & even if they could it would mean the same rework costs.

There is still a last port of call on a ring. If they were being excessively pedantic they could have disconnected the whole ring.

You are actually the first person to say that this is a ring.

There is some lack of clarity in the narrative here from Leif over the 5 sockets. Now it may be that the electrician was waiting for the 5 sockets to be done before testing. But if this is the case, the rework would be a known part of the scope of works [to the electrician at least] and should have been costed up front.