"terminate and test 5 No electric sockets" ???

Leif

I queried what he meant and got the following reply:

"As explained at our meeting last week the electricians had to remake the sockets fitted by yourself and test this is the cost for this."

I have no idea what 'remake' means. Anyone? As I understand it under current regs I am entitled to replace a socket face plate without a need for inspection. I will go direct to the electricians and ask for a list of work done (though they might ring the builder).

Leif

andrew-b wrote: »

At exactly what time did you replace these sockets relative to the consumer unit change?

That is the question isn't it! I think I replaced them afer the electricians had replaced the fuse box. The problem is proving that.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Leif wrote: »

That is the question isn't it! I think I replaced them afer the electricians had replaced the fuse box. The problem is proving that.

If that were the case how would they know about the sockets you replaced unless you mentioned it to them?

Were they still working in the building when you were doing this?

Did they give you the installation certificate prior to you replacing the sockets?

If they were still there they would have to check your work so it reads to me the charge is valid.

zax47

Had the installation been fully tested & certified BEFORE you started messing with it? If not then the sparky has quite legitimately re-done your work. He's signing off the installation as being his work and you come along and mess with it - why not wait till it was all done & dusted.

If you wanted the faceplates changing why not ask the sparky to do them anyway? What exactly have you saved by doing it yourself with a sparky still on site?

I hate it when punters start messing with MY JOB, especially if I'm still on site or haven't finished test & inspection. Means I have to !!!! about re-doing their work - like this poor sparky has....

He's putting his name on the certificates, what if one of the sockets YOU messed with DURING HIS WORK causes a problem later - who's liable then.

Changing the CU puts the WHOLE INSTALLATION under Part P rules as he has to test & inspect the WHOLE INSTALLATION. Once you've got your certs & he's left the job THEN you can mess about with it, but until then the WHOLE INSTALLATION is the responsibility of the sparky signing it off.

Leif

zax47 wrote: »

Had the installation been fully tested & certified BEFORE you started messing with it? If not then the sparky has quite legitimately re-done your work. He's signing off the installation as being his work and you come along and mess with it - why not wait till it was all done & dusted.

If you wanted the faceplates changing why not ask the sparky to do them anyway? What exactly have you saved by doing it yourself with a sparky still on site?

I hate it when punters start messing with MY JOB, especially if I'm still on site or haven't finished test & inspection. Means I have to !!!! about re-doing their work - like this poor sparky has....

He's putting his name on the certificates, what if one of the sockets YOU messed with DURING HIS WORK causes a problem later - who's liable then.

Changing the CU puts the WHOLE INSTALLATION under Part P rules as he has to test & inspect the WHOLE INSTALLATION. Once you've got your certs & he's left the job THEN you can mess about with it, but until then the WHOLE INSTALLATION is the responsibility of the sparky signing it off.

There was no sparky 'on site' as you put it. As far as I can recall I did this after they had installed the fuse box, which was done months ago. I was working on the house at weekends, including patching plaster around some sockets, painting etc. These people are unreliable, and were supposed to have done the fuse box by the time the kitchen fitter arrived, but they hadn't, so they did it afterwards. The problem is determining when they put in the fuse box, and when I changed the face plates. I think I did not do any work on the plates until after the fuse box was done, as I wanted the RCD to be present, by which time they will have tested. But I cannot prove that. The project manager is impossible to deal with, always making promises he breaks. Getting information from him about what they have done is very hard. I was never told not to touch any sockets, and I don't see how I can stop work on my house for 3 months while they !!!!!! about.

Also, a few weeks ago, after I had done the plates, I received a list of charges from the project manager, and this job was not listed. It appeared from nowhere a few days ago.

Leif

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

If that were the case how would they know about the sockets you replaced unless you mentioned it to them?

Were they still working in the building when you were doing this?

Did they give you the installation certificate prior to you replacing the sockets?

If they were still there they would have to check your work so it reads to me the charge is valid.

The project manager walked around the house a month ago, and he would have seen that the sockets had been replaced. The fuse box had been sorted long before then, but that is how he could have seen that I had done work. I received the certificate about a week ago, although the fuse box was replaced a few months ago.

zax47

Leif wrote: »

The project manager walked around the house a month ago, and he would have seen that the sockets had been replaced. The fuse box had been sorted long before then, but that is how he could have seen that I had done work. I received the certificate about a week ago, although the fuse box was replaced a few months ago.

But when was the entire job finished? If you got the completion cert a week ago, it takes 2-3 weeks to come to you after the sparky notifies his scheme the job is done.

You can't say just when the final inspect & test was done, seems to me it was done a lot more recently than you think otherwise he wouldn't have remade the sockets!

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Leif wrote: »

The problem is determining when they put in the fuse box

No its not.

Its the test date.

Your argument is flawed big style. And so is your understanding of Part P & the responsibilities of the electrician.

By the way. When was your kitchen finished? Did it involved putting in new hard wired appliances? Cooker, dishwasher, washing machine? Who wired up them & when?

So, I take it this was done after the consumer unit............. Because that was done months ago.

By the way kitchen is covered by Part P. Electrician basis his price on the whole installation & testing. Not to test the house & then come back whenever & retest again the kitchen & then inspect the work you have decided to do in the meantime.

The TEST DATE will be on the certificate.

Leif

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

No its not.

Its the test date.

Your argument is flawed big style. And so is your understanding of Part P & the responsibilities of the electrician.

By the way. When was your kitchen finished? Did it involved putting in new hard wired appliances? Cooker, dishwasher, washing machine? Who wired up them & when?

So, I take it this was done after the consumer unit............. Because that was done months ago.

By the way kitchen is covered by Part P. Electrician basis his price on the whole installation & testing. Not to test the house & then come back whenever & retest again the kitchen & then inspect the work you have decided to do in the meantime.

The TEST DATE will be on the certificate.

Calm down. By fuse box I meant the whole shooting match i.e. certification.

The problem is that I am not a builder, and I am not familiar with regs. Why should I be? I engaged a builder to get a kitchen fully ready for a new kitchen, and asked for a full rewire of the kitchen, with new sockets, and new fuse box. But when the fitter arrived, in August, he found dead sockets and an old fuse box. He ran after them, and got the sockets connected so he could fit appliances. Then a few weeks later the fuse box was replaced. I have no idea when certification was done, but I assume I can check the certificate to find the date.

Does it make sense that I am annoyed at these people? When he visited for the sign off last week, I had to ask him to show me how to use the brand new boiler as he was leaving the house. Worcester Bosch informed me that they should do that as part of the installation.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Leif wrote: »

but I assume I can check the certificate to find the date.

You assume correct.

Test date is on the certificate