you are what you eat

Bargain_Rzl

morganlefay wrote:

but at least Dr Gillian isn't peering down her nose and disapproving of me any more ! I keep her in the downstairs lav now

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I'm sure she'll be very happy there, what with her unnatural obsession with poo!

yenom_2

Nicki wrote:

Yenom, you have said that you have never been clinically depressed then presume to go on to lecture those who have been about their eating habits, to suggest it is a question that they "can't be bothered" to cook, and that anyone who has any understanding of the difficulties faced in these circumstances is "sticking up for crap food".

Had you suffered from depression, you would appreciate that getting a seriously depressed person to care for themselves is as difficult as getting a man with a broken leg to run a marathon. Both are suffering from a medical condition which prevents them functioning normally, and mind over matter doesn't work for either. No one is saying that a burger and chips is as healthy as a cooked meal with fresh vegetables but realistically speaking the depressed person will eat what is easy (or what is cooked for them) or not eat at all.

Both I and npsmama have told you that we became depressed at a time when we were eating healthily, and our subsequent poor eating habits were a result not a cause of the condition, yet you persist in implying that our depression was caused by our not looking after ourselves to start off with. Once my depression lifted I reverted to healthy eating and exercise habits.

I like you feel strongly about this issue. I posted earlier today to reassure someone who was worried about going back to work after a few days off with depression to say that most people were understanding these days that depression is a medical condition and not within the person's power to control, however it would appear that my confidence on this issue has on this occasion been misplaced. Perhaps you might like to read a bit more widely about the subject before you post such trenchant criticism of those who have suffered from what is a recognised disability, based solely on your own personal views of how people should behave.

You have taken this very personally, I do not know you or your circumstances to 'lecture' you or anyone else about what has or has not caused any depression that you may have.

I just feel that food is a good starting base which will help as a prevention, I have never said that eaing a poor diet will cause depression or eating a good one will prevent depression. I simply do not understand why its not taken seriously enough when depression apart, food can make you feel so much better. This is my only point.

I am not ignorant to suggest that if you have depression you are likely to be thinking about food, this is not what I was trying to suggest. Please do not imply anything about my knowledge around the area, as of course, you do not know me, or my background either.

MATH

aimeelister wrote:

I had a size 8 skirt and a size 18 pair of trousers that both fitted me "well" at one point!

Pesky water retention plays havock with your wardrobe dunnit:D :rotfl:

Nicki

Yenom I took your post personally because having read my post which said I had a good diet before becoming depressed, you still implied very strongly that if I had looked after myself in the first place and eaten more healthily that I wouldn't have become ill. If you go back and see what you actually wrote you will see that this is the case. I knew you were referring to me because you quoted my post so I am surprised that you wonder why I may have taken it personally. Had you meant it as a general comment you would not have linked to what I said. You then went on to criticise those who need to take medication, and said "Do you leave your health in the hands of professionals or yourself?" suggesting that anyone suffering from depression could cure themselves, and that to take medication was a sign of failure. It was that which lead me to believe that you were ignorant of the true nature of depression, together with your comment that you had never suffered from clinical depression yourself. Incidentally do you also believe that those suffering from severe infections should never take antibiotics, and those with tumours should avoid chemotherapy or is it just mental ill health which you think can be cured by diet and a positive attitude?

If you do take the time to read around depression (and there are numerous threads on these forums dealing with the subject) you will see that those who suffer from severe depression cannot by virtue of their illness help themselves in the way you suggest, and that, as I said before, to suggest they can is as offensive as suggesting that a man with a broken leg could walk if only he tried or a blind person could see if only they would concentrate. I can assure you that both before and after my illness I was an intelligent, well educated, highly motivated and energetic person, but while I was ill I was none of those things. Had I been so, or had my depression been mild rather than severe, then yes I am sure I could have willed myself back to health or applied my knowledge to cure myself.

I am now completely well, and have been for many years now, however I haven't lost my compassion for those suffering from this awful condition. Before I had it, I may have been as unthinking as you have been in making assumptions about what people are and are not capable of when afflicted, and what causes the illness but now with the benefit not just of my own experience but also seeing that of all the other people in hospital with me at the same time suffering from the same thing, I am much more aware.

morganlefay

Re depression: I have heard that J K Rowling's Dementors were based on what you feel like when you are clinically depressed. I have been so myself and I felt, when I watched whichever film it was, that the Dementors as portrayed there were a very close thing to how it felt. But I'm not sure if someone who hasn't suffered from it would be able to grasp the dreadfulness of it all, which is why I thought her Dementors were so clever.

yenom_2

Nicky, I would have PM you if I wanted to solely make suggestions about what you have discussed. It was not meant for you personally.

I think you miss my point of my whole rant.

And the question was also thrown out to the forum 'do you leave your health in the hands of the professionals or yourself?' as people will have different views on this.

Mrs_A.

hiya folks,
well my favourite smoothie so far is..........................
mixed berries, strawberries, raspberries, blue berries and blackberries mixed up with a glass of freshly juiced orange juice mmmmmmmmmmm delish but so expensive.
thanks for the recipes re the dull veg may give them a go over the weekend.
regards
mrs a

Mrs_A.

I'm still struggling, but at least Dr Gillian isn't peering down her nose and disapproving of me any more ! I keep her in the downstairs lav now, but if anyone would like her I'll send her free if you pm me.[/QUOTE]


hehehehe personally im going to stick her on amazon and see if i can get a few quid back to buy some lovely berries to feed my smoothie addiction.
regards
mrs a

taplady

Mrs_A. wrote:

hiya folks,
well my favourite smoothie so far is..........................
mixed berries, strawberries, raspberries, blue berries and blackberries mixed up with a glass of freshly juiced orange juice mmmmmmmmmmm delish but so expensive.
thanks for the recipes re the dull veg may give them a go over the weekend.
regards
mrs a

Hi Mrs A ! you seem to be doing so well with the healthy eating!:T

poppie,s_dream

apart from fruit what do you mix smoothies with fluid wise i mean?
milk? juices? ice? what make it thick?
as you can tell from my question i've never made one before and quite fancy the idea