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I dropped my 2 month old iPhone 4 into the canal
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its the only thing that I think Apple are awesome at.
This is coming from someone who has had three HTC handsets in the last 12 months, and has spent 4 months without a HTC handset during that time. You do the math.
Congratulations to you for your honesty, and for Apple going above and beyond.
The great thing with your HTC Android, though, is that if you think HTC are pants, you can simply move to Samsung, LG or any of the others, but still run your software apps. If you don't like Apple - or when they had real problems with reception or overheating - what was your alternative?
Hate being locked in to any one company with no escape route.0 -
But I object to their control over selling prices and, most of all, their protectionism.
Android/Google allows many manufacturers to make handsets to broaden the competitive base and different sources of technology advancement, rather than just one. I am a fan of "open source".
Much as a fan as I am of open source, the fact that there are different manufacturers is half the problem I, personally, have with android...A telegraph article I read earlier summed it up nicely, actually:
"According to Comscore, 65 per cent of iPhone owners upgraded from an Apple handset. Only BlackBerry users are more loyal: almost 70 per cent of them said their previous phone was also a BlackBerry.
Nevertheless, Android - the mobile operating system owned by Google that powers handsets from a range of manufacturers - now holds 48 per cent of the UK smartphone market, according to Kantar Worldpanel. Competition for the title of 'flagship' Android device is always fierce and Samsung's Galaxy S2 is currently in pole position. A new Google-backed Samsung handset, thought to be called the Nexus Prime, is expected to be launched in California next week.
It's not just about specs, says Leach. "There are perhaps some Android devices that are of a higher spec. But it's not just about the spec. The iPhone gives a class-leading user experience and these improvements will help that. The Android experience can vary by manufacturer."
A common complaint among Android users is the delay in getting updates to the operating system. Different manufacturers and networks release them at different speeds and unless you are savvy enough to 'root' your phone - which gives you administrative control over your handset - then you could be in for a long wait."
Just echoes my personal experience exactly - I've owned phones that were, technically, far better than the iPhone of the day - sammy i8910HD and HTC Desire HD - but neither of them were able to provide the same level of user experience.0 -
Certainly Iphone users don't have to wait long for the next version. IPhone4S just announced and Iphone5 to come next year(?).
And you hit the nail on the head when you quoted " But it's not just about the spec. The iPhone gives a class-leading user experience and these improvements will help that".
The problem with being hooked on "the class-leading experience" is that when the next version comes out, you no longer have the class-leading experience and you get handset envy. So, mustavit & dissatisfaction = more debt.
Just look at the number of MSE members that joined the mustavit Iphone cult and now, 8 months and changing circumstances down the line, are now bleating about being hooked on a contract that they can't afford or returning from holidays abroad with huge roaming bills as the Iphone gobbles up internet data in the same way that Detroit dustbins drink petrol.0 -
Just look at the number of MSE members that joined the mustavit Iphone cult and now, 8 months and changing circumstances down the line, are now bleating about being hooked on a contract that they can't afford or returning from holidays abroad with huge roaming bills as the Iphone gobbles up internet data in the same way that Detroit dustbins drink petrol.
Statistically, there are 48% of users, it seems, who jump on the mustavit android bandwagon and still get locked into an equally costly agreement for just as long...What phone you end up with really has nothing to do with it.
The only way in which you've got a point are the people who can't wait for their upgrade to get the latest and greatest iPhone - but these, typically, pay in cash for the phone, so still wouldn't be bleating about their contract any more than anyone else...
And if you don't turn data off on any handset abroad you'll have a high bill. I came back from a month in the states with a £120 bill on my iPhone. I thought this was fairly reasonable as we made plenty of calls back to the uk, made some calls to the US and used a little data while we were there...0 -
I have to disagree. Unlike iP that is a subject of mass hysteria and obsession, adroids are mainly bought by the people that can afford them and are less prone to updating their phones very often. Of course, this doesn't apply to all iP and android users; this is just a statistical observation based on the number of posts of iP users that cannot afford expensive contracts and face defaults and those who after a few months are very unhappy with the price they have to keep paying for the remaining 20ish months.Idiophreak wrote: »Statistically, there are 48% of users, it seems, who jump on the mustavit android bandwagon and still get locked into an equally costly agreement for just as long...What phone you end up with really has nothing to do with it.
Even among those who queue to Apple stores, not everyone pays in cash. The majority of those who buy in other stores don't pay in cash.The only way in which you've got a point are the people who can't wait for their upgrade to get the latest and greatest iPhone - but these, typically, pay in cash for the phone,
Unfortunately, many iP users are not as clever as you, but neither Apple nor networks are interested in educating them.And if you don't turn data off on any handset abroad you'll have a high bill. I came back from a month in the states with a £120 bill on my iPhone. I thought this was fairly reasonable as we made plenty of calls back to the uk, made some calls to the US and used a little data while we were there...0 -
I have to disagree. Unlike iP that is a subject of mass hysteria and obsession, adroids are mainly bought by the people that can afford them and are less prone to updating their phones very often. Of course, this doesn't apply to all iP and android users; this is just a statistical observation based on the number of posts of iP users that cannot afford expensive contracts and face defaults and those who after a few months are very unhappy with the price they have to keep paying for the remaining 20ish months.
You've actually collected statistics on this? Cripes.
My feeling (I've not collected statistics, I just read the boards) is that plenty of people get tied into contracts they shouldn't...and plenty of people buy stuff that they can't afford. Sometimes the contract happens to be an iPhone (I've seen plenty of SOAs with high monthly phone bills for non-smart phones), sometimes the thing they've bought is an iPhone. I also see that people who buy the latest and greatest iPhone all the time are typically those that follow fashion etc and are likely to spend more / accrue more debt in any case. I don't see this causal link between iPhones and debt you seem to be inferring.Even among those who queue to Apple stores, not everyone pays in cash. The majority of those why buy in other stores don't pay in cash.
Say you're halfway through a contract and you want the latest iPhone...what do you do?
a) Buy the thing in cash and continue with your current contract
b) buy out your existing contract and take out a new contract with the new phone.
Either way, the net result is the same - you're paying the same monthly contract, but are down a pile of cash (or credit, as the case may be).Unfortunately, many iP users are not as clever as you, but neither Apple nor networks are interested in educating them.
Oh, what does Android do when you take it abroad then, that Apple don't?0 -
No, I just read this board, not DFW. My brain does the rest.Idiophreak wrote: »You've actually collected statistics on this? Cripes.
I may have misunderstood you, but I merely replied to what I thought was one of your arguments, that those who upgrade to the latest and greatest models typically pay cash, rather than buy on credit.Say you're halfway through a contract and you want the latest iPhone...what do you do?
a) Buy the thing in cash and continue with your current contract
b) buy out your existing contract and take out a new contract with the new phone.
Either way, the net result is the same - you're paying the same monthly contract, but are down a pile of cash (or credit, as the case may be).
I am no expert, but there is an opinion that Apple is more data hungry, especially when it comes to an unpredictable background data usage that ordinary users find difficult to control.Oh, what does Android do when you take it abroad then, that Apple don't?0 -
That's a fair answer, Rev.
I was a fan of Apple in the beginning and introduced Apple IIE computers into the company I worked for in the early 80's.
However, this morning's TV's sad news about Steve Jobs encapsulated my current views of the company. The newsreader described him creating a company that had an "almost cult following".
Now cults don't always have objective appraisal. I cringed watching Apple shop employees rushing out with Scientology-like fervour, high-fiving the faithful who have queued for days for the latest gizmo from Apple. The whole company ethos is one of smugness, and that's what I am not a fan of.
However, I will go along with the Apple service centre being able to sort out problems on the spot, often doing free replacements as in this thread as well as cheap (based on Apple selling costs) replacements when Iphones have broken out of warranty. But I object to their control over selling prices and, most of all, their protectionism.
Android/Google allows many manufacturers to make handsets to broaden the competitive base and different sources of technology advancement, rather than just one. I am a fan of "open source".
Rant over. :beer:
To be fair, I agree with all of that. I like the product, but am not a big fan of a lot of the companies policies. And people who wait outside shops for days need a life.Sigless0 -
I may have misunderstood you, but I merely replied to what I thought was one of your arguments, that those who upgrade to the latest and greatest models typically pay cash, rather than buy on credit.
How they buy the thing is irrelevant. My point was just that people who must have the latest phone don't suddenly have more expensive contracts than anyone else.I am no expert, but there is an opinion that Apple is more data hungry, especially when it comes to an unpredictable background data usage that ordinary users find difficult to control.
Find difficult to control? there's one button. You turn data off. Fairly easy...0 -
The latest phones normally come with more expensive contracts and those who upgrade early suddenly have longer and probably more expensive contracts. And definitely they pay much more than they would have paid should they went sim-only with the 'old' (not really) handset.Idiophreak wrote: »How they buy the thing is irrelevant. My point was just that people who must have the latest phone don't suddenly have more expensive contracts than anyone else.
This was well discussed in the second half of this thread: DATA ROAMING - Orange phone bill of £1320.40Find difficult to control? there's one button. You turn data off. Fairly easy...
ETA: another good thread started by a typical 'ordinary' user: iPhone roaming charges - please help.0
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