Public Sector. Good or Bad?

Old_Slaphead

Andy_L wrote: »

So do you feel there's no value in higher education at all or just in your field? (which I'm sure you've mentioned before but can't actually remember atm)

Relevant degrees have value but many jobs don't actually require degrees especially non-relevant ones. Degrees are often overrated unless they are vocational (IMHO)

When I was a school leaver anyone who didn't get good 'A' level grades usually ended up somewhere like Keele University doing Social Sciences (whatever that was).

They nearly all ended up as teachers or Civil Servants.

ILW

sharnad wrote: »

Business Managment, Maths, Chemistry

What sort of degree is required to be a diversity manager?

sharnad

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

No there aren't - find me examples.

I'm adding 25% because that's the value of thedeferred salary (ie how much your employer has to subsidise the pension by).

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So a public sector worker would have the employer pay some money towards their pension while having to contribute lots themselves and can wait until 68 to get it

That must put food on the table for them

sharnad

:think:

ILW wrote: »

What sort of degree is required to be a diversity manager?

No idea, didnt even know that there was such a job#
Just googled it - a diversity managment degree ?

http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Employee-Engagement-and-Diversity-Manager_job51732042

Le_Chuck

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

No there aren't - find me examples.

I'm adding 25% because that's the value of your deferred salary (ie how much your employer has to subsidise your pension by).

Local government payscale. Bottom 8 points are less than £15k
http://www3.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/living/jobs/salaryscales/

And Employer pension conts are around 14-15% in the LGPS

Old_Slaphead

Le_Chuck wrote: »

Local government payscale. Bottom 8 points are less than £15k
http://www3.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/living/jobs/salaryscales/

And Employer pension conts are around 14-15% in the LGPS

Le Chuck - I'm not sure what the point of your post is - could you explain?

I've never disputed that there is pay below £15000 - what I have said is that no public sector employee is paid the national minimum wage as shanad has stated. I challenge you or sharnad to post a link that shows otherwise

FWIW Notts CC employer pension contributions are between 16% and 22% with an average of 18%.

Intoodeep

£6.08 x 35 x 52 =£11065.60

Anyone know how many employees in the Public Sector earn this amount on those hours ???

I await with baited breath the number of Public Sector Employees who are paid the minimum wage.

Andy_L

sharnad wrote: »

Yes they are

you know plenty of people who are on less that £15,000. Less tax, NI and pension payments and thats not much at all.

Why are you adding 25%

becasue the value of the employers pension contributions can be worth 25% 9depending on age/sex/department/career etc) whilst pensions & other non-cash benifits aren't included in NMW calcs

Andy_L

Intoodeep wrote: »

£6.08 x 35 x 52 =£11065.60

Anyone know how many employees in the Public Sector earn this amount on those hours ???

I await with baited breath the number of Public Sector Employees who are paid the minimum wage.

For some odd reason NMW calculations treat salaried staff better than hourly paged (salaried staff have to receive NMW for holidays etc). Since public sector staff tend to be salaried they will receive more than that £11k despite only being paid NMW (and those who are hourly paid will, understandably, have complained about being paid less than salaried for the same work - or have been contracted out)

The bottom of the National Joint Council for Local Government Services (NJC) pay scales is £12,145 (09/10) - I suspect that puts them within pence of NMW, but obviously its impossible to tell without precise details of their hours & leave etc

http://www.nyyforum.org.uk/index.php/njc-local-authority-payscales.html

Andy_L

sharnad wrote: »

:think:


No idea, didnt even know that there was such a job#
Just googled it - a diversity managment degree ?

http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Employee-Engagement-and-Diversity-Manager_job51732042

You do realise that's a private sector job and doesn't actually state a requiremnt for a degree, although for £60k HR job I'd expect CIPD, MBA type people to be applying