Public Sector. Good or Bad?

Really2

IronWolf wrote: »

No that is not equivalents, thats an aggregate figure.

ONS statistician Jamie Jenkins said the public sector employs more older workers, and has more highly skilled jobs. Nearly 40% of those working in the public sector have a degree or higher education qualification compared with less than a quarter in the private sector. If those employees are compared, public sector staff earned 5.7% less than those in the private sector.

So what about the 60%+ without degrees?

The Degree related jobs (Teaching, Doctors etc) may be less but many move from the public sector to those private areas as they tend to be the best in their professions and go to private schools and private health care etc.

IronWolf

ILW wrote: »

Think you will find that the PS employs more with the "Micky Mouse" type degrees than the private sector.

Got anything to substantiate that claim?

IronWolf

Really2 wrote: »

So what about the 60%+ without degrees?

The Degree related jobs (Teaching, Doctors etc) may be less but many move from the public sector to those private areas as they tend to be the best in their professions and go to private schools and private health care.

The public sector has outsourced most, if not all, of the lowest paid jobs, like cleaning, to the private sector. That is why the pay is higher in the public sector as a whole.

Old_Slaphead

IronWolf wrote: »

No that is not equivalents, thats an aggregate figure.

Well a decade ago people were quite happy to use the same comparison to justify significant wage increases and generous pensions for public sector workers.

As regards your comment on degrees - big deal ! The vast majority of public sector jobs don't need degrees - it's only because there haven't been many jobs created in the private sector since 2000 at a time when Labour have encouraged virtually everyone & their dog to go to University because the state education system has failed.

I would much sooner employ someone with 5 years relevant experience that a 3rd class degree in golf course management.

Old_Slaphead

IronWolf wrote: »

The public sector has outsourced most, if not all, of the lowest paid jobs, like cleaning, to the private sector. That is why the pay is higher in the public sector as a whole.

If that's the case why do they still need the gold plated pensions - that was meant to reward the low paid for "public service"

Really2

IronWolf wrote: »

The public sector has outsourced most, if not all, of the lowest paid jobs, like cleaning, to the private sector. That is why the pay is higher in the public sector as a whole.

And with that statement you prove that the private sector pay less than the public sector on a like for like basis as it would be uneconmicaly viable to do that otherwise.

Earlier we had the public sector have most of the lowest paid staff?

malcindebt wrote: »

The majority of civil servants are amongst the lowest paid in the country.

Why the disparity? There seems to be two arguments they are the lowest paid if it comes to wage increase/cuts, then there are no lower paid when it comes to like for like.

wotsthat

starsandmoon wrote: »

Look at your attitude towards me because of my job. What terribly important job do you do then?

It's not because of your job. I just think that "front line" is rather over-used and often used in the way politicians use the phrase "it's the right thing to do".

My terribly important job is manufacturing and selling a product sufficiently profitably that allows the generation of corporation tax which helps to fund things like, well, libraries.

ILW

There is a strange sort of attitude from many of the public sector workers on here (and elsewhere) that seems to think that the money to pay their wages come from some sort of magic money pot.

Andy_L

Really2 wrote: »

And with that statement you prove that the private sector pay less than the public sector on a like for like basis as it would be uneconmicaly viable to do that otherwise.

on like-for-like only at the lower paid end, it does not prove it at the mid & high pay end. Although it could be argued that the mass contractorisation was driven by political dogma/desire to get the costs off the books rather than a value-for-money approach

Really2 wrote: »

Earlier we had the public sector have most of the lowest paid staff?


Why the disparity? There seems to be two arguments they are the lowest paid if it comes to wage increase/cuts, then there are no lower paid when it comes to like for like.

I would refer you to my previous post

Andy_L wrote: »

The Civil Service is not a synonym. for the Public Sector. The 10%ish of the Public sector that is the Civil Service has lower (average/median) pay than the private sector.

Really2

Andy_L wrote: »

on like-for-like only at the lower paid end, it does not prove it at the mid & high pay end.

See

The Degree related jobs (Teaching, Doctors etc) may be less but many move from the public sector to those private areas as they tend to be the best in their professions and go to private schools and private health care etc.

Andy_L wrote: »

I would refer you to my previous post

But they are in the public sector so that is why

The public sector has outsourced most, if not all, of the lowest paid jobs, like cleaning, to the private sector. That is why the pay is higher in the public sector as a whole.

is an odd argument

Does the public sector have low paid or not? the people in the public sector seem to disagree on this?

Also civil service being lower paid on average like for like does not equate to being the lowest paid jobs in the country. Which was the quote I copied.