Public Sector. Good or Bad?

daveyjp

gingerdad wrote: »

Rubbish. The public sector are most defiantly not the lowest paid in the country.

Please let us know who are.

shortchanged_2

nightwatchman wrote: »

People will do well if they start looking to their offspring for support on their old age and not the state. That’s the way things used to be here few decades back.

There are places in the world that there is a stigma simply by been looked after by a care home….

Be old folk in a home soon will be considered a predicament, as defiantly will not be nice place to spend your last days.

The problem with the 'old ways' is now that society has changed dramatically since then.

To maintain any standard of living these days most family households need to have 2 working adults, therefore there isn't the opportunity to spend time at home to look after elderly infirm parents.

It's the same for childcare. Why do you think there is a massive increase in the need for childcare these days?

RJP33

I have no problem with anyone in the public sector getting a performance bonus and payrise if they’ve done a great job and earned it. We need to incentivise good people to make it more efficient and better

On the other side we should look at reducing numbers where there are inefficiencies (especially office workers).

Old_Slaphead

daveyjp wrote: »

Please let us know who are.

Start with the 1.2million private sector workers on minimum wage.

pqrdef

nightwatchman wrote: »

People will do well if they start looking to their offspring for support on their old age and not the state. That’s the way things used to be here few decades back.

That was Maggie Thatcher's fantasy. But it's a few decades since she said it, and it was already a few decades back then. No doubt in 1900 they looked at all the old folk in the public-sector workhouses and reminisced about the old days when old people were looked after by their offspring. Never happened.

nightwatchman wrote: »

There are places in the world that there is a stigma simply by been looked after by a care home….

In the Third World, people have the courtesy to die of treatable illnesses. That'll change. When people are taking 20 pills a day and lingering for ever, their offspring's tender loving care will be put to a sterner test.

Percy1983

Personally I don't think all the public sector is over paid, personally my wages are comparable to the same job in the private sector, maybe slightly down but I like my job so not too bothered.

On the flip side my future brother in law works in the same line of work in a less skilled job in a different part of the public sector and was annoyed at his £6k pay cut, I was gutted for him until I found out how much he was getting paid, as he was getting a lot more than me and was moving to a little less than me (about right to say hes doing a lessor skilled job).

So in short some public sector workers have been or are being overpaid, but I can assure you not the entire public sector is overpaid.

daveyjp

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Start with the 1.2million private sector workers on minimum wage.

Many of whom are actually employed to provide services for the public sector - hence they are actually public sector workers.

Really2

daveyjp wrote: »

Many of whom are actually employed to provide services for the public sector - hence they are actually public sector workers.

A private sector company providing services to the public sector does not make their staff public sector employed?

Otherwise anyone who sells anything to a member of the public sector are also??? Everyone would be.

Many of the 1.2m in the private sector I would say are likely to be in retail or manufacturing.

But even if you run with the 1.2m working for companies who contract to the public sector (not that I believe that would be the case).
Does that not show how badly things are run in the public sector. They contract people at a higher rate than their employment cost is?
EG contract cleaners @ £8.50PH Cleaners earn £5.93PH = £2.57PH wasted spending.

Old_Slaphead

daveyjp wrote: »

Many of whom are actually employed to provide services for the public sector - hence they are actually public sector workers.

So a private company does work for the public sector and it's employees become public sector workers ?

I think I'll ask my boss why I'm not getting public sector workers T&Cs

nb many of the 1.2 million will be (as Really2 says) manufacturing, retail and also leisure industry & farming.

Still I suppose farm workers provide food for PS (public sector) canteens therefore they are also PS. Oh, and PS also organise training courses at hotels so leisure sector workers are PS too.

sharnad

Good and Bad but lots of the good leave to join the private sector due to the low pay in the public sector