Why on earth would ANYONE buy Vista?!?!

pault123

Anyone going to PC World definetely hasn't heard of this site

Gib_Gib

pault123 wrote:

Anyone going to PC World definitely hasn't heard of this site

You just wait a while, but someone will soon enough say that they have seen a great pc in pcworld and want to see what people think about it before they buy it.

There is generally a quick response of people quickly trying to show them the light, but I do worry about a few who have got through the net, I cry for them most nights

System

We had this discussion lately at the "computer club" we have once a month, ok its excuse for a few beers

I unfortunatly have a problem with MS/Vista etc. I believe that with each new incarnation of the OS, you the customer are LOSING rights and being restricted in what you can do. It could even be that because Microsoft decides your Vista key is questionable, they can just turn it off without warning. Hope you haven't got an important document due in that day! OK I may be in the minority here but I feel that if I have bought something, I should be able to do with it what I want, not subject to some rule that says "No, you can't see how we did X or Y" or No, you cant run that because we decided that we didn't want to let you.

Also as you are probabily aware, MS ever fearful of any competition, have even tried to get their OS onto OLPC laptops for the third world, where everyone else more or less gave their bits and pieces free of charge and the source code to go with it.

If you are even semi adventurous, try putting Ubuntu on your machine, alongside XP. It's free for ANYONE to use, can be modified anyway you like to suit your computing puproses and it doesn't impose artificial support deadlines such as Vista killing XP via the DirectX10 scenario.

I just believe everyone should be able to use computers how they wish them to be used.

pault123

Gib_Gib wrote:

You just wait a while, but someone will soon enough say that they have seen a great pc in pcworld and want to see what people think about it before they buy it.

There is generally a quick response of people quickly trying to show them the light, but I do worry about a few who have got through the net, I cry for them most nights

ROFL! :beer:

wolfman

There's more to Vista, than just a new box or interface, or even DirectX 10 support.

For the average Joe, they won't notice the differences hugely, but the way in which Vista works is very much different from XP. XP is arguably flawed in that most people's accounts have Administrator access.

As mentioned the Aero interface, not only is the next step in interfaces (check out Beryl or Compiz on Linux for other equivalents), but it free's up the cpu, by assigning workload to the gpu.

There are plenty of other changes, including a completely re-written network stack. They are more under the hood changes though.

There will no doubt be bugs, but if you run your computer properly, I can't see them being dangerous. It'll be much like XP was when it first came out.

Vista is a worthwhile upgrade. The question is, do you need it for the cost? The best thing to do is either buy an OEM version, or wait for a good deal (or get it included with your next PC). I'd imagine though, that for now, most money savers won't need the upgrade. If you're a technical enthusiast though, or in that kind of area, then it's worth looking at.

Me, personally. I use Linux as my primary OS, and XP for gaming/development so there's no real need for the additional cost. Linux is possibly worth trying, but be prepared to put in the time, and you'll also need to think more carefully about the hardware you purchase.

pault123

13000 wrote:

We had this discussion lately at the "computer club" we have once a month, ok its excuse for a few beers

I unfortunatly have a problem with MS/Vista etc. I believe that with each new incarnation of the OS, you the customer are LOSING rights and being restricted in what you can do. It could even be that because Microsoft decides your Vista key is questionable, they can just turn it off without warning. Hope you haven't got an important document due in that day! OK I may be in the minority here but I feel that if I have bought something, I should be able to do with it what I want, not subject to some rule that says "No, you can't see how we did X or Y" or No, you cant run that because we decided that we didn't want to let you.

Also as you are probabily aware, MS ever fearful of any competition, have even tried to get their OS onto OLPC laptops for the third world, where everyone else more or less gave their bits and pieces free of charge and the source code to go with it.

If you are even semi adventurous, try putting Ubuntu on your machine, alongside XP. It's free for ANYONE to use, can be modified anyway you like to suit your computing puproses and it doesn't impose artificial support deadlines such as Vista killing XP via the DirectX10 scenario.

I just believe everyone should be able to use computers how they wish them to be used.

Do you have anymore info on thie Ubuntu?! sounds interesting

Blacksheep1979

pault123 wrote:

Do you have anymore info on thie Ubuntu?! sounds interesting

There's a fair bit of info on the link he gave.

BillScarab

pault123, just click on the ubuntu link! To try it out download the CD ISO image from the website or via Bittorrent. Burn it to a CD, then stick it in your PC. Make sure it's set to boot from CD and you can run Ubuntu from the CD without installing anything.

If you decide you like it you can install it without damaging your Windows installation. It installs the GRUB boot loader which lets you choose which OS to boot each time you switch your machine on.

Ubuntu is just a Linux distribution, it is currently one of the most popular as it is very straightforward to use. Using it you can do most things you would do in windows as it comes with open office, firefox and an email client.

The main problem with using Linux is if you play games. You will need to keep Windows installed for that.


On the subject of Vista, I'll be buying a new PC in the next couple of months and I'll be getting Vista. I'm looking forward to experimenting with the new OS and seeing what it can do.

I'm amazed at how negative some people are, no-one actually knows whether Vista will be buggy or have lots of security holes. I'll just keep my PC firewalled (which I do with any OS), take regular backups and keep my Anti Virus and Anti Spyware up to date and see how I get on with it.

Little_John

BillScarab wrote:

I'm amazed at how negative some people are, no-one actually knows whether Vista will be buggy or have lots of security holes. I'll just keep my PC firewalled (which I do with any OS), take regular backups and keep my Anti Virus and Anti Spyware up to date and see how I get on with it.

We are just baseing this on the history of Microsoft and their new OS's. I will give it ago once SP1 is released, Im planning on buying a new laptop this year anyway

wolfman

BillScarab wrote:

If you decide you like it you can install it without damaging your Windows installation. It installs the GRUB boot loader which lets you choose which OS to boot each time you switch your machine on.

Depends how you have your hard drive setup. The less technical need to take care to pick the right partition/disk.

It's well worth looking into. It takes a few weeks to a month to know what you're doing though with regards to installing necessary codecs, display drivers, mounting drives, finding the apps you like, maybe installing beryl etc...

Totally agree with your Vista comments. Generally waiting for SP1 is more of a business thing, most home users will be fine going across straight away. If anything, it's support and lack of ported apps that would be my concern rather than waiting for a service pack.