Sunday working and new job

skintandscared_2

eschaton wrote: »

Agreeing with yourself is about all you can do really.

Good luck with the debts

:rotfl:Let's be honest now, you have absolutely no concept of what I can do and can't though, have you, seeing as you don't actually know me. The debts are disappearing fantastically, thanks, and life is good! :j

You clearly make quite a hobby of making antagonistic and patronising remarks to people on here. My mum always told me that those who make it their mission to constantly put people down are really just too lazy to raise themselves up, and I have to say I've found that to be pretty true. Do yourself a favour, step away from the keyboard and make some real-life friends. It makes me sad to see someone clearly so miserable, who probably doesn't even realise it themselves...

eschaton

skintandscared wrote: »

:rotfl:Let's be honest now, you have absolutely no concept of what I can do and can't though, have you, seeing as you don't actually know me. The debts are disappearing fantastically, thanks, and life is good! :j

You clearly make quite a hobby of making antagonistic and patronising remarks to people on here. My mum always told me that those who make it their mission to constantly put people down are really just too lazy to raise themselves up, and I have to say I've found that to be pretty true. Do yourself a favour, step away from the keyboard and make some real-life friends. It makes me sad to see someone clearly so miserable, who probably doesn't even realise it themselves...

Classic, give yourself a pat on the back :rotfl:

Word of advice for the future - don't go into debt, it's a mugs game

ceridwen

bluenoseam wrote: »

But i too agree with an old fashioned viewpoint, there's Full Time workers & Part Time workers - Part Timers being there to cover Sundays to avoid having to often times pay expensive premiums to FT workers. Perhaps that's a hideously outdated theory these days, but when i was a PT worker i expected to be rota'd for a Sunday knowing the FT crew were time & a half for Sunday shifts - basic economics tells me that it's cheaper to have a PT worker in! (same goes with Bank Holidays)

:T Agree with that sentiment.

I know I've been working for a LOT of years now - but I have always automatically assumed (with ANY job I had) that my workhours were Monday-Friday and during standard type workhours (ie between 8am-5.30pm).

To me its a case of "Never mind any religious views anyone may or may not have -as thats personal to them" but I always "knew" that if an employer wanted me to work outside those hours then the onus was on them to tell me before I got an official offer of the job. At that point - if they had any other hours/days in mind - then I could (and would!) have turned the job down.

I dont know what the legal position is on whether employers are legally obliged to tell would-be employees in advance if they would be required to work antisocial hours - but the commonsense position is incontrovertibly that an employer would need to do so (ie as the employee will certainly assume "normal work hours" automatically otherwise - EVEN if its a workplace that is open in antisocial hours).

EDIT: BTW - I'm not a Christian personally...just "old-fashioned" enough to believe that Monday-Friday are the workdays each week BAR the type of job that absolutely HAS to be done at a weekend (either day).

skintandscared_2

eschaton wrote: »

Classic, give yourself a pat on the back :rotfl:

Word of advice for the future - don't go into debt, it's a mugs game

Now that one I will give you - you're 100% right. My mum probably should have told me that one too, eh

pmlindyloo

All very interesting but the law is quite clear

Shop-workers who started working for their employer after 26 August 1994 (6 April 2004 in Scotland; 4 December 1997 in Northern Ireland)

If you started working for your employer after 26 August 1994 (6 April 2004 in Scotland; 4 December 1997 in Northern Ireland), you may be required to work on Sundays. However, unless you are employed to only work on Sundays, you may opt out of Sunday working. You have to give your employer three months' notice of your objection to working on Sundays. This notice must be in writing, and you must date and sign it. During the three-month notice period your employer may require you to work on Sundays. After that, if you give notice in the correct way and you work the three-month notice period, you have the right not to be dismissed or be treated unfairly for refusing to work on Sundays. If you are dismissed, it will count as an automatically unfair dismissal.

ceridwen

I still go with "commonsense dictates that any employer who knows they will want someone working antisocial hours must tell them in advance of offering them the job" - ie because that will not/might not be something the would-be employee would expect.

Its just a commonsense thing for the employer to do - the same as if the employer knows their job requires heavy lifting, for instance, then they should spell that fact out in advance to the employee and ask them if they feel they will be able to do this.

Savvy_Sue

Sadly, employers don't always display that much common sense, or they assume that it will be blindingly obvious to potential employees that working for them WILL include weekends, and that that job WILL include lifting.

IMO, neither side should assume. The employer should say if it's standard office hours (and spell out what those are because I've never been required to start before 9 am!) and make it clear what the shift pattern or regular hours are like if it's NOT standard office hours. The employee should check that their assumptions are correct and state whether there's a problem with that. Likewise with lifting / wearing a uniform / singing to customers - the employer should say "this role includes ... are you OK with that?" That way there are fewer surprises.

skintandscared_2

ceridwen wrote: »

I still go with "commonsense dictates that any employer who knows they will want someone working antisocial hours must tell them in advance of offering them the job" - ie because that will not/might not be something the would-be employee would expect.

Its just a commonsense thing for the employer to do - the same as if the employer knows their job requires heavy lifting, for instance, then they should spell that fact out in advance to the employee and ask them if they feel they will be able to do this.

Agreed! I'm a PA and although I'm not religious, I think I've only had to work about 2 Sundays in the last 20 years (on double time, if we've had a big case closing). If Sunday working is an issue, I'm surprised the OP has shown any interest at all in working in an industry where Sunday is now an important working day.

ceridwen

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Sadly, employers don't always display that much common sense, or they assume that it will be blindingly obvious to potential employees that working for them WILL include weekends, and that that job WILL include lifting.

IMO, neither side should assume. The employer should say if it's standard office hours (and spell out what those are because I've never been required to start before 9 am!) and make it clear what the shift pattern or regular hours are like if it's NOT standard office hours. The employee should check that their assumptions are correct and state whether there's a problem with that. Likewise with lifting / wearing a uniform / singing to customers - the employer should say "this role includes ... are you OK with that?" That way there are fewer surprises.

I can resonate with that - I still recall being taken on for a job by an employer and being surprised to find that it included having to do a skill thats rarely involved in that type of job. The employer was at fault there - because that type of job rarely involves that ability normally - and a lot of people dont have such an ability. If he had mentioned this (out of the ordinary) requirement for that type of job at interview, then he would have found out at that point that I wouldnt be able to do it - because I would have told him that I dont have that skill. He would have saved me a lot of bother - from giving me the job and then sacking me when he found out that I dont have the skill concerned.

eschaton

skintandscared wrote: »

If Sunday working is an issue, I'm surprised the OP has shown any interest at all in working in an industry where Sunday is now an important working day.

Can't believe I am saying I agree with you