Sunday working and new job

vyvyan_2

As I said, could you not compromise and ask to have one or two Sundays a month to be kept free?

I'm sure there's plenty of folk that can practice their beliefs without 100% church attendance.

Having a job must be more vital. It pays the rent and puts food on the table.

SarEl

bluenoseam wrote: »

i had that in the original post but decided it might sound rather harsh for me to point out that as he was generally considered Jewish the sabbath to Jesus would be Saturday!

The quote you used is Genesis chapter 20 verses 8-11. It is an instruction from God to the Jewish people. Just a tad before the time of Jesus! He didn't actually get involved the entire sabbath debate at all. After His death and resurrection, the evidence shows that Christians kept both or either Saturday and/or Sunday - Saturday being "the sabbath" and Sunday "the Lord's day" (remembrance of the resurrection). It was not until 321 that Sunday became the offical sabbath of the Christian church, following the edict of Constantine. Which is why a great many christians who belong to churches which pre-date the romaniisation of christianity still hold the sabbath on the Friday / Saturday. In case anyone is interested.

scheming_gypsy

Naf wrote: »

We have no paid clergy; a complete lay ministry.

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work Sunday's for free then, if it's good enough for them it's good enough for you. Unless of course you think you're more important.

cottyh24

If you want the job you should be prepared to work whenever you are needed. If you can't do that, let someone else have the job and the money. I bet there are plenty of people who would be grateful for work at the moment and wouldn't be worrying about what day of the week they had to be there.

starrystarry

If it's important for you to observe your sabbath then perhaps retail isn't the right sector for you to work in, Sunday being one of the busiest retail days of the week nowadays.

bluenoseam

SarEl wrote: »

The quote you used is Genesis chapter 20 verses 8-11. It is an instruction from God to the Jewish people. Just a tad before the time of Jesus! He didn't actually get involved the entire sabbath debate at all. After His death and resurrection, the evidence shows that Christians kept both or either Saturday and/or Sunday - Saturday being "the sabbath" and Sunday "the Lord's day" (remembrance of the resurrection). It was not until 321 that Sunday became the offical sabbath of the Christian church, following the edict of Constantine. Which is why a great many christians who belong to churches which pre-date the romaniisation of christianity still hold the sabbath on the Friday / Saturday. In case anyone is interested.

I did say my theology was rusty - Dad was the minister, i'm the hell-raising son of a preacher man

Naf

Well... thanks for all the bigoted trolling; its been most enlightening. And interesting the number of different conclusions people jump to when someone mentions they happen to have a religious belief.
The few posts of value I have already thanked. Any further constructive comments or suggestions would be most welcome, although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm not entering into any form of theological debate on the matter as its simply not worth it in the face of so much uninformed opinion.
To reiterate the bits of what I have said that appear to have been missed by most of your selective vision;
I am going to approach them amiably about it first
I don't have some kind of intention to sue them about it
I will work Sundays if it's that or no job, but it would incline me toward continuing to search for other work.

eschaton

Naf wrote: »

Well... thanks for all the bigoted trolling; its been most enlightening. And interesting the number of different conclusions people jump to when someone mentions they happen to have a religious belief.
The few posts of value I have already thanked. Any further constructive comments or suggestions would be most welcome, although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm not entering into any form of theological debate on the matter as its simply not worth it in the face of so much uninformed opinion.
To reiterate the bits of what I have said that appear to have been missed by most of your selective vision;
I am going to approach them amiably about it first
I don't have some kind of intention to sue them about it
I will work Sundays if it's that or no job, but it would incline me toward continuing to search for other work.

You get what you ask for.

You want a full time job in retailing at a higher than basic level and do not want to works Sundays. Sunday is a key day in retailing these days, one of the buisiest, this is not 20 years ago.

You then start going down the discrimination route before you have even started the job.

You are an embarrassment to your faith if anything.

The friend who put you forward would disown you if they read what you had put here.

Sambucus_Nigra

Naf wrote: »

Well... thanks for all the bigoted trolling; its been most enlightening. And interesting the number of different conclusions people jump to when someone mentions they happen to have a religious belief.
The few posts of value I have already thanked. Any further constructive comments or suggestions would be most welcome, although I'm not holding my breath.
I'm not entering into any form of theological debate on the matter as its simply not worth it in the face of so much uninformed opinion.
To reiterate the bits of what I have said that appear to have been missed by most of your selective vision;
I am going to approach them amiably about it first
I don't have some kind of intention to sue them about it
I will work Sundays if it's that or no job, but it would incline me toward continuing to search for other work.

a - I can't see any bigoted trolling.
b - the theological debate was to explain what the Sabbath actually was - what are you scared of?
c - no need to get snippy - it was you that started this thread asking if you could claim discrimination....did you really need to start a thread to discover that the best course of action would to be talk to them amicably, to not sue [as if] and to work Sundays if necessary? Surely that's basic common sense?

SarEl

eschaton wrote: »

You get what you ask for.

Seconded. And as for all the "bigoted trolling" - there wasn't any. In common with your previous post you seem to confuse bigotry and disagreement (with you). People who disagree with you are not bigots or trolls - nor are they wrong. It seems to be a common theme on your threads here - ask for advice, and have a go at those who disagree with you.

The advice you got was based on your OP - not on your belated withdrawing of how that was put. You were the one who raised discrimination, ans you actually asked if you would have a claim if they insisted on your working Sundays. So now saying that you never had an intention of making a claim, and you have no intention of suing them, is disingenuous - you stated from the outset that that was what you wanted advice on!

Nobody - utterly nobody - jumped to any conclusions about your religious belief. They jumped to quite a few, based on the evidence of your post, about you.

Now before I pop off to church, I would invite you to reflect on Matthew 22:21. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's..." It is entirely possible to submit to the rules of authority (a contract which says that your working week includes Sundays) without compromising your faith. People are christians or muslims or sikhs or whatever, every day of the week, and not just on Sundays - or that is what they are supposed to be. And the authority of Jesus is a "new testament" - it fulfills and expands on the Old Testament. So I guess He would know what he was talking about.