General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

STing

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Plastic bullets are now starting to be used apparently.

I don't trust the coppers aim. Not after a police bullet ended up in a police radio...unless that was an elaborate ploy?

evosy1978

Does anyone have an addidas galaxy size 10 blue and white LEFT trainer?

sjaypink

SingleSue wrote: »

So no, I can't accept the excuses about deprivation causing it, it just made me all the more determined to succeed (which I did for a very long time)

Its not about excuses though, it's just about being aware of the differences between you, I, 'them'...
Progress cannot be made on this issue whilst the same old conversations are being had

These people - kids - are driven; why?

ruggedtoast

evosy1978 wrote: »

Does anyone have an addidas galaxy size 10 blue and white LEFT trainer?

I have half a dozen size 8 left ones. Any good? Most people are different sizes on each foot. I reckon.

ikati5

SingleSue wrote: »

True, although they never really lived the life of loads of gadgets and spoiling even when we were not on benefits..think it made it easier for them though.

My parents come from London (Walthamstow to be exact - dad was born in Scotland but was only there for the first few months of life) and I spent most of my school holidays staying with my nan and discovering London, in fact, I felt safer and more confident walking around Walthamstow than I did my home town as I knew it better and felt more at home, more in sync with things. Neither my parents nor my nan had pots of money, nan lived in the same council house in Durban Road right from the war years (mum was born in the air raid shelter during a bombing), so living the life was never in our hands back then.

Instead, we would jump on the bus and go into the city, or jump on the bus and go to the high street, possibly taking in some pie and mash (we always had to share). Once my parents got a car, it was trips round picking up all my cousins and taking them for a run around Epping Forest. Just very simple pleasures which suited our non existant pockets...but we were happy with that.

My family has known deprivation, especially after dad's accident but it didn't cause the social problems that we see now, we just got on with it and strived to make things better, to improve our lot. It also gave me the coping mechanisms when money was/is short, helped me to be a big of a budget queen and stopped me from splashing out and getting into huge amounts of debt...I am literally too scared of spending money on frivalous things in case we need that money for some unseen disaster.

So no, I can't accept the excuses about deprivation causing it, it just made me all the more determined to succeed (which I did for a very long time)

The point is that when your family fell on hard times you knew the difference, just google Broadwater Farm and imagine how different life would have been for you if your nan had been housed there.

ruggedtoast

STing wrote: »

No excuses yes, but there are reasons.

Yes, the reason being that they are avaricious ignorant feral scum who have proved they thoroughly deserve to wallow in the sewers they have created for themselves without any more money for youth clubs and community centres.

STing

evosy1978 wrote: »

Does anyone have an addidas galaxy size 10 blue and white LEFT trainer?

Oui.........pourquoi?

robmatic

sjaypink wrote: »

These people - kids - are driven; why?

Are they really 'driven' though? Is it a political act, or have they had the realisation that, if sufficient numbers are concentrated on the streets in the same area at the same time, there is little coercive force that can be levied upon them; there are few consequences, and the thrill of power is theirs?

neverdespairgirl

wymondham wrote: »

Looking at the pictures of the rioters, the majority are of a certain colour, and looking at the other images of people who have voluntarily turned up to help clear up the mess are pretty much all of another certain colour. Why is that? I am not racist, just making an observation.

There are also shopkeepers and burned out residents of all colours.

sjaypink

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There are millions of people living in visually unappealing places in London who dont choose criminality and looting instead of working for a living.

There is no excuse for this appalling behaviour, the people responsible and their communities need to take a good long look at themselves.

People arrive every day in London with minimal English and few skills precisely because of the opportunities it offers.

Why? You think one night they are out smashing up shops and burning out cars, the next they'll suddenly possess the self awareness and insight to realise the reflection in the mirror is one whose recent actions are unnacceptable?

Where have they come from and how were they made? What have we all* caused - do we all* need to take a good look at ourselves?

* please change we all to government / law & policy makers / authorities if preferred .... tho.... big society?!