General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It isn't a political issue.

You are making it sound as if the tories suddenly said police cannot use force. The police have as much power now, as they did under labour.

The respect issue has been building up for years. These people didn't respect any authority 5 years ago, and they don't now.

They didn't 30 years ago if I remember, just seems to go quiet when Labour are in charge, luck of the draw, I guess.

sjaypink

SingleSue wrote: »

Whilst I agree that those kind of situations can happen in some families who rely on benefits, there are also umpteem others who have managed to buck the trend...we don't tend to hear about those as it doesn't make good press.

Yeah but Sue, bringing kids up on benefits is a completely difficult kettle of fish for parents who have the fortune of knowing different - as you describe - to those who have never known any different.
The location is a huge influence too. London, or any other big city, is a great place if you have a bit of spare bit of cash, or if you're a student, or a creative soul, but for your typical 'underclass' what inspiration or motivation can you get from living in the densely populated and deprived areas?
Its not just that horror stories make the best news stories, it is that unfortunately, as time goes on trends are telling us that it is specific types of families living in specific circumstances who are most likely to end up as our future 'problems'.

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

They didn't 30 years ago if I remember, just seems to go quiet when Labour are in charge, luck of the draw, I guess.

Personally, I feel it's a little sad that you are so desperate to lay all of the blame at a political parties feet.

You really think today would be different, simply if labour were in government?

Come on Stevie. Labour and Conservative are saying the same thing on this one. They are all saying they hear the publuc, and that the public want to see force used, but all are saying it's not their job to interfere with the police.

Just put BBC news on. It's the same from MPs from conservatives, lib dems and labour.

Not gonna get involved any more with the party political stuff, and anyway, as you know, I was a lib dem voter, not tory.

SingleSue

StevieJ wrote: »

You think all those Londoners can be bothered treking down to Ipswich, more likely some of your hometown losers.

I know.....one town starts along the A12 and it travels down.

Plenty of disaffected young people in Ipswich.

geneer

Especially for Hamish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

StevieJ

KnightSmile wrote: »

I think this woman speaks the truth (only watch the youtube video if you dont mind the odd swear word - you have been warned!)

She is speaking the truth..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNmQBx2WyN0

I like this comment

She has a PhD in badassmother!!!!erology.

Currently 2-2 United versus Celtic old masters on ITV4, I wonder if it will kick off at the finish?

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

They didn't 30 years ago if I remember, just seems to go quiet when Labour are in charge, luck of the draw, I guess.

well except for, say, all of the riots that happened during the last labour government. so oldham, bradford, leeds and burnley in 2001 and birmingham in 2005.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not gonna get involved any more with the party political stuff, and anyway, as you know, I was a lib dem voter, not tory.

What is the difference?

lostinrates

StevieJ wrote: »

You think all those Londoners can be bothered treking down to Ipswich, more likely some of your hometown losers.

I've sat in courts in towns like Ipswich, but not Ipswich!, many a time with clients from London. I don't see that loading a up a car with mates for a loot is much different to a few of you going in a car to see which houses look empty...it probably also coincides with other reasons to go out there, but I wouldn't know about that.

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Personally, I feel it's a little sad that you are so desperate to lay all of the blame at a political parties feet.

You really think today would be different, simply if labour were in government?

Come on Stevie. Labour and Conservative are saying the same thing on this one. They are all saying they hear the publuc, and that the public want to see force used, but all are saying it's not their job to interfere with the police.

Just put BBC news on. It's the same from MPs from conservatives, lib dems and labour.

Not gonna get involved any more with the party political stuff, and anyway, as you know, I was a lib dem voter, not tory.

if you wanted to apply stupid political spin to riots which happen under tory governments, you could claim they were all the result of labour supporters being unable to swallow the fact that they were in the minority and couldnt cope with the party of their choice not being in power and therefore rioting as a result.

after all, the riots always break out in labour supporting areas.