General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

What is the difference?

You are seriously unable to discuss anything I say it seems....just going for party political stuff yet again.

See ya stevie

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

well except for, say, all of the riots that happened during the last labour government. so oldham, bradford, leeds and burnley in 2001 and birmingham in 2005.

I forgot about them To be fair though they appeared to be riots for a cause (rightly or wrongly), whereas this lot seem to be embracing the capitalist 'greed is good' ideal :eek:

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You are seriously unable to discuss anything I say it seems....just going for party political stuff yet again.

See ya stevie

But I voted the same as you

SingleSue

sjaypink wrote: »

Yeah but Sue, bringing kids up on benefits is a completely difficult kettle of fish for parents who have the fortune of knowing different - as you describe - to those who have never known any different.
The location is a huge influence too. London, or any other big city, is a great place if you have a bit of spare bit of cash, or if you're a student, or a creative soul, but for your typical 'underclass' what inspiration or motivation can you get from living in the densely populated and deprived areas?
Its not just that horror stories make the best news stories, it is that unfortunately, as time goes on trends are telling us that it is specific types of families living in specific circumstances who are most likely to end up as our future 'problems'.

True, although they never really lived the life of loads of gadgets and spoiling even when we were not on benefits..think it made it easier for them though.

My parents come from London (Walthamstow to be exact - dad was born in Scotland but was only there for the first few months of life) and I spent most of my school holidays staying with my nan and discovering London, in fact, I felt safer and more confident walking around Walthamstow than I did my home town as I knew it better and felt more at home, more in sync with things. Neither my parents nor my nan had pots of money, nan lived in the same council house in Durban Road right from the war years (mum was born in the air raid shelter during a bombing), so living the life was never in our hands back then.

Instead, we would jump on the bus and go into the city, or jump on the bus and go to the high street, possibly taking in some pie and mash (we always had to share). Once my parents got a car, it was trips round picking up all my cousins and taking them for a run around Epping Forest. Just very simple pleasures which suited our non existant pockets...but we were happy with that.

My family has known deprivation, especially after dad's accident but it didn't cause the social problems that we see now, we just got on with it and strived to make things better, to improve our lot. It also gave me the coping mechanisms when money was/is short, helped me to be a big of a budget queen and stopped me from splashing out and getting into huge amounts of debt...I am literally too scared of spending money on frivalous things in case we need that money for some unseen disaster.

So no, I can't accept the excuses about deprivation causing it, it just made me all the more determined to succeed (which I did for a very long time)

ruggedtoast

There are millions of people living in visually unappealing places in London who dont choose criminality and looting instead of working for a living.

There is no excuse for this appalling behaviour, the people responsible and their communities need to take a good long look at themselves.

People arrive every day in London with minimal English and few skills precisely because of the opportunities it offers.

STing

SingleSue wrote: »

True, although they never really lived the life of loads of gadgets and spoiling even when we were not on benefits..think it made it easier for them though.

My parents come from London (Walthamstow to be exact - dad was born in Scotland but was only there for the first few months of life) and I spent most of my school holidays staying with my nan and discovering London, in fact, I felt safer and more confident walking around Walthamstow than I did my home town as I knew it better and felt more at home, more in sync with things. Neither my parents nor my nan had pots of money, nan lived in the same council house in Durban Road right from the war years (mum was born in the air raid shelter during a bombing), so living the life was never in our hands back then.

Instead, we would jump on the bus and go into the city, or jump on the bus and go to the high street, possibly taking in some pie and mash (we always had to share). Once my parents got a car, it was trips round picking up all my cousins and taking them for a run around Epping Forest. Just very simple pleasures which suited our non existant pockets...but we were happy with that.

My family has known deprivation, especially after dad's accident but it didn't cause the social problems that we see now, we just got on with it and strived to make things better, to improve our lot. It also gave me the coping mechanisms when money was/is short, helped me to be a big of a budget queen and stopped me from splashing out and getting into huge amounts of debt...I am literally too scared of spending money on frivalous things in case we need that money for some unseen disaster.

So no, I can't accept the excuses about deprivation causing it, it just made me all the more determined to succeed (which I did for a very long time)

Not everyone thinks in the same way as you.

If someone doesn't fear god, or authorities. Doesn't have good grades, connections, money, and is devoid of future hope. I can understand why they may chose to disrespect property.

The question then becomes, how to deal with it? Lock-em up, disperse them with tear gas them, give them manual labour jobs.

Currently there's no carrot, and only a very small stick...

STing

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There are millions of people living in visually unappealing places in London who dont choose criminality and looting instead of working for a living.

There is no excuse for this appalling behaviour, the people responsible and their communities need to take a good long look at themselves.

People arrive every day in London with minimal English and few skills precisely because of the opportunities it offers.

No excuses yes, but there are reasons.

STing

Does anyone know where I can pick-up a cheap plasma telly?

STing

StevieJ wrote: »

But I voted the same as you

Bad mistake. I'm waiting for someone to create a nodding dog with nick clegg's face on it, it'd be a great seller.

Graham_Devon

Plastic bullets are now starting to be used apparently.