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nottslass_2

Someone who enjoys Holidays abroad will be making a pretty determined effort to find another job PDQ in order to maintain the level of income that afforded it in the first place and If someone is determined to get a job then a holiday wont make much of a detrimental impact on job seeking.


Is it fair that someone who has worked for 20 odd years,paid NI, then been made redundant be sanctioned for going abroad despite making several job applications the previous week,all with closing dates for after their return, Yet someone who can't be bothered and only makes a half hearted attempt at looking for a job can holiday in the uk without being penalised ?

It is quite possible to look and apply for jobs whilst abroad and,as pointed out,it can be a lot quicker and easier to return from some countries than certain parts of the UK.

Anubis_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

the holiday could have been paid for and saved up for before they lost their job.
if you want to bring working people into it then ok lets do that. employed people usually get paid holidays. their employer has to pay them as normal and get no work in return. they also get more than 2 weeks a year. an employee who takes holidays is a bigger burden than an unemployed person who goes away.

Well I have been here a month, had to deal with some abuse and I have seen some questionable comments, but your comment in bold is the most ignorant and stupid statement I have ever heard. :eek:

Working people are not a burden to society or the Government in any way, shape, or form. Working people pay your JSA. How can you possibly justify that they are a bigger burden to the economy/ their employer or in general? Please explain, I am at a loss for words....

skintandscared_2

nottslass wrote: »

Someone who enjoys Holidays abroad will be making a pretty determined effort to find another job PDQ in order to maintain the level of income that afforded it in the first place and If someone is determined to get a job then a holiday wont make much of a detrimental impact on job seeking.


Is it fair that someone who has worked for 20 odd years,paid NI, then been made redundant be sanctioned for going abroad despite making several job applications the previous week,all with closing dates for after their return, Yet someone who can't be bothered and only makes a half hearted attempt at looking for a job can holiday in the uk without being penalised ?

It is quite possible to look and apply for jobs whilst abroad and,as pointed out,it can be a lot quicker and easier to return from some countries than certain parts of the UK.

No it probably isn't fair I grant you. But that's how it is. Someone on JSA can take 2 weeks holiday a year in the UK. I'm sorry, but all this "easier to return from abroad" rubbish is just nonsense. The person would need enough extra money to pay for the change in flight tickets plus the difference in fare between what they booked and that day's price for those seats. Anyone who can afford that can live without a week's JSA payment.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

Oh I think it is, your arguement falls flat you see because obviously the jobseeker would have to get to Calais in order to make that 'quick' trip that is more preferable than Northern Scotland!

this does not make sense at all. obviously to get to calais you have to make that trip to calais. the whole argument here is whether someone can get back quickly. now answer this if you lived in dover which place could you get back quicker from? the place that is several hundred miles away or the place that is 22 miles away?

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

No, the obvious thing would be to sign off and enjoy the holiday!!

yeah and lose money that you didnt need to lose.

soothyerboots

donnajunkie wrote: »

yeah and lose money that you didnt need to lose.

Lose money you weren't entitled to have, you mean.

Bogof_Babe

Maybe they should re-write the rule then. Instead of saying that holidays within the UK are permitted, it could read "holidays within two hours travel time of the DWP office where you are registered". Then the onus is on you to get back within two hours if required to. If you couldn't make it for some reason, no JSA for that week.

Would that be okay?

skintandscared_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

yeah and lose money that you didnt need to lose.

Or spend money you didn't need to spend on changing flights back from Europe... Minimum cost would be £25 per person admin fee. Then the difference in fare EACH. I would bet a week's wages that the cost of coming home for an interview would be a lot more than just giving up one week's JSA. How does that make financial sense?

Look, I'm not being funny but why shouldn't you just go on holiday for a week and forget about jobhunting. Take a proper break. Why can't you just go away and forget about the phone ringing for just a week. All you have to do is lose one week's JSA. Is that REALLY such a hardship?

Jomo

nottslass wrote: »

Someone who enjoys Holidays abroad will be making a pretty determined effort to find another job PDQ in order to maintain the level of income that afforded it in the first place and If someone is determined to get a job then a holiday wont make much of a detrimental impact on job seeking.


Is it fair that someone who has worked for 20 odd years,paid NI, then been made redundant be sanctioned for going abroad despite making several job applications the previous week,all with closing dates for after their return, Yet someone who can't be bothered and only makes a half hearted attempt at looking for a job can holiday in the uk without being penalised ?

It is quite possible to look and apply for jobs whilst abroad and,as pointed out,it can be a lot quicker and easier to return from some countries than certain parts of the UK.

Doesn't matter how long you have worked etc, when claiming jsa you have to abide by the rules so if you want to go on holiday abroad you should sign off.

A slight chance, if the flight isn't cancelled or delayed or it isn't full, no seats available. And of course there is also the consideration that the jobseeker can choose to go somewhere in the UK that isn't so remote? :rotfl:

donnajunkie

soothyerboots wrote: »

Lose money you weren't entitled to have, you mean.

yes but look at why. is it really such a terrible thing to do to go away for few days. is it really going to impact on your jobsearch massively? if people stuck to the rule then all that would mean is they wouldnt go away. they would get the jsa for the period that they would have went away and they almost certainly wont do anymore jobsearch or get any interviews during that short period they would have been away.