DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

FTW

Anubis wrote: »

He has already stated he doesn't use Atos. No point asking the same question over and over :eek:

Well, since he feels the need to comment on every Atos thread that comes up, he must have some experience with them - who'd take him seriously if he didn't?

I think I'd better ask him.

Oldernotwiser

FTW wrote: »

Well, since he feels the need to comment on every Atos thread that comes up, he must have some experience with them - who'd take him seriously if he didn't?

I think I'd better ask him.

If only people with a negative experience of ATOS were allowed to discuss this, it would hardly be a balanced discussion, would it?

Anubis_2

cit_k wrote: »

ATOS assessors do not use atos, they work for ATOS.
The tribunal service do not use ATOS, but they have plenty experience with the output from assessments.
The CAB do not use ATOS, but have plenty of experience of the process/output from it.

Not using it as a client, does not mean someone cannot have other involvement with ATOS that could give them experience.

Which is perhaps one reason the question is being asked?

Yes, I am aware that he may either work for them or a connected company arm, or give the impression he does

The reality is though, he is never going to answer, that much is obvious, no matter how much the question is asked.

FTW

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

If only people with a negative experience of ATOS were allowed to discuss this, it would hardly be a balanced discussion, would it?

Well, that's the point - he hasn't stated what his experience with Atos is.

Balance is fine - if he has positive experience of Atos, then wouldn't it be a good idea for him to outline it? Why be so evasive about it?

If he has none, then he doesn't have enough to counter those who do - no matter how many webpages, books or articles he's read.

Mupette

wantsajob wrote: »

Does DLA actually fund such help though? For example, someone has difficulty cooking and can only cook microwave meals. They get the low rate DLA of about £20 a week. I couldn't hire a chef for £20 a week. In reality it's just an extra £20 so they can buy Tesco Finest, instead of Tesco value microwave nosh. Or more likely completely subsumed by all other financial requirements of someone on low income. If DLA provided the actual help required, instead of a bit of money - then perhaps it would be viewed in the manner you suggest it should be. The reality is the help required would cost far far more money than what is paid out in DLA.

my OT recommended i get microwave meals for me so i can eat, i really think that it is a joke..

i would prefer fresh food, i am expected to live on processed food... thats really healthy.. not

cit_k

FTW wrote: »

Well, that's the point - he hasn't stated what his experience with Atos is.

Balance is fine - if he has positive experience of Atos, then wouldn't it be a good idea for him to outline it? Why be so evasive about it?

If he has none, then he doesn't have enough to counter those who do - no matter how many webpages, books or articles he's read.

It would not be so bad, if posters without experience did read up on a wide range of webpages/books/articles, and took into consideration what they read, instead of posting just selective misleading things.

Fridge3

FTW wrote: »

Well, that's the point - he hasn't stated what his experience with Atos is.

Balance is fine - if he has positive experience of Atos, then wouldn't it be a good idea for him to outline it? Why be so evasive about it?

If he has none, then he doesn't have enough to counter those who do - no matter how many webpages, books or articles he's read.

So, no matter how much is read in books, webpages, articles, reports, reviews, hansard etc etc, nothing substitues experience right?

In that case, the atos assessors have daily experience of the assessments (not just the an occasional assessment that a client would have). Based on this experience, they are therefore in a far better position to clarify the rights and wrongs of the process than any claimant. That and the fact they are professionals.

Curious why some question their judgement then.;)

Anubis_2

Fridge3 wrote: »

So, no matter how much is read in books, webpages, articles, reports, reviews, hansard etc etc, nothing substitues experience right?

In that case, the atos assessors have daily experience of the assessments (not just the an occasional assessment that a client would have). Based on this experience, they are therefore in a far better position to clarify the rights and wrongs of the process than any claimant. That and the fact they are professionals.

Curious why some question their judgement then.;)

With their multi million pound contract, they are not going to deliver an impartial review of the shortcomings of their process are they?

If they did they may as well kiss goodbye to the money.

This is why their judgement is questioned - they are not impartial and are obviously going to present bias.

Now consider that impartial parties/ organisations have highlighted the
shortcomings, and, if they were professional, they would listen to what is being said by such organisations.

Oldernotwiser

FTW wrote: »

If he has none, then he doesn't have enough to counter those who do - no matter how many webpages, books or articles he's read.

I have views on crime and punishment. Are my views less valid than those of a convicted burglar?

stroodes

microwave meals???????????????????, how terrible, try working a 12 shift then helping out elderly mother in law, she claims nothing apart from pension , hb and ctb she lives alone in a council house. both my hubby and i sometimes eat microwave meals and shock horror so do or kids, if not poor old mum in law wouldnt see us as much. We claim child benefit only, and both work damn hard.