DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

Muttleythefrog

Fridge3 wrote: »

So no difference when assessments are carried out at atos.

To clarify.

There would be no requirement of individual to inform ATOS that they are audio-recording the medical or gain prior consent. If they're caught secretly recording then the assessment could be terminated. Use of such a recording is not so clear - a court or tribunal could decide it is admissable.

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

So no difference when assessments are carried out at atos.

But what experience do you have with these assessments?

Anubis_2

FTW wrote: »

But what experience do you have with these assessments?

He has already stated he doesn't use Atos. No point asking the same question over and over :eek:

Fridge3

Anubis wrote: »

He has already stated he doesn't use Atos. No point asking the same question over and over :eek:

Children do this when they don't get the answer they want to hear.

bigpoops

You are wrong, not everybody pays in. Far too many take far too much, and far too few pay too much for it.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Anubis_2

bigpoops wrote: »

You are wrong, not everybody pays in. Far too many take far too much, and far too few pay too much for it.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Oh here we go again - stop tarring everyone on benefits with the same brush. One day you may need to claim, if you are not already getting child benefit, WTC, CTC etc....

Remember not everyone who claims is a lazy workshy &£@!!!! - there are many, especially in today's climate, who have recently lost jobs and their homes through no fault of their own.

Also remember that more tax money is wasted through admin error and benefit reform than any benefits paid out. Hundreds of millions are wasted this way.

Additionally everyone in this country pays tax - from a tin of beans to a pair of shoes. Also many have paid in for years and for whatever reason need to claim. Many working families also claim benefits, that is what WTC and CB and CTC is - WTC and CTC did not exist when I worked, we had to manage solely off our earnings!

cit_k

FTW wrote: »

No, you don't need to make the other person aware they're being recorded - I got an Atos decision overturned on the basis of a recording.

I didn't tell Atos I was doing it, but I did tell the Tribunal Service when I appealed, and told them (in writing) exactly why I did it.

But in respect to audio-recording assessments, what would you know about that? What's your own experience of these assessments?

I see Fridge is spreading misinformation again, there is absolutely NO legal requirement for private individuals, not operating on behalf of a business or authority etc, to inform someone they are recording a conversation (unless its a phone conversation).

Nor is there any requirement at all for private individuals with CCTV on their own home to put up warning signs.

Although, I can see why it would be in the interest of pro atos people to spread a lie like that, to try to put people of covert recording.

The only time warnings/permission is required, is if its a business or authority etc doing the recording, or if its a phone conversation, as phone calls fall under different legislation.

cit_k

Anubis wrote: »

He has already stated he doesn't use Atos. No point asking the same question over and over :eek:

ATOS assessors do not use atos, they work for ATOS.
The tribunal service do not use ATOS, but they have plenty experience with the output from assessments.
The CAB do not use ATOS, but have plenty of experience of the process/output from it.

Not using it as a client, does not mean someone cannot have other involvement with ATOS that could give them experience.

Which is perhaps one reason the question is being asked?

krisskross

Anubis wrote: »

Oh here we go again - stop tarring everyone on benefits with the same brush. One day you may need to claim, if you are not already getting child benefit, WTC, CTC etc....

Remember not everyone who claims is a lazy workshy &£@!!!! - there are many, especially in today's climate, who have recently lost jobs and their homes through no fault of their own.

Also remember that more tax money is wasted through admin error and benefit reform than any benefits paid out. Hundreds of millions are wasted this way.

Additionally everyone in this country pays tax - from a tin of beans to a pair of shoes. Also many have paid in for years and for whatever reason need to claim. Many working families also claim benefits, that is what WTC and CB and CTC is - WTC and CTC did not exist when I worked, we had to manage solely off our earnings!

Blimey are you sure you're not a cit-k clone? You are sounding just like him.

All this stuff about benefit claimants paying tax as well. Of course they do but that is a bit of a silly statement. After all the money they are spending came from the taxed income of the taxpayer in the first instance didn't it? Not as if it is new money.

I didn't think there was tax on a tin of beans.I thought food was zero rated.

As for no WTC or CTC I expect you claimed the extra personal allowances that went with marriage and children. As you said you once had a mortgage perhaps MIRAS as well. So you were helped...I know we were. It was simply help by being allowed to keep more of what we earned rather than having to claim back.

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

Children do this when they don't get the answer they want to hear.

Children sometimes also can't answer simple questions, like "What's your own experience with these assessments?".