DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!

Fridge3

Anubis wrote: »

I think what Mr Nasty is sayimg is that Atos rules and policy, does not over ride actual law, and if they were to state that someone failed to attend the interview, on the basis of covert recording, then they may be acting within Atos policy, but they are not acting within actual law.

FWIW I was always under the impression that the uk law states you have to inform a.n.other person beforehand if you are going to record them fir any purpose, to allow that person the right to refuse to be recorded.

Correct, that's why you see signs in the proximity of CCTV to advise of recording (even private residential properties with CCTV should do this). There are even more regulations covering audio recording and certainly those being recorded must be aware.

Fridge3

DaveHedgehog wrote: »

I don't like the tone of GlasweJen's posts either. Disabled people are vulnerable and in need of help and care, most people would work if they could, the notion that people do not want to work is a fallacy, especially amongst those of us who are educated who have had long standing well paid jobs in the past.

I share your sentiments too wantsajob.

Edit:
Can we get this thread back on track please, this is nothing to do with my original post.

That generalisation is patronising and untrue. There are plenty of disabled people in work, many who are educated and have well paid jobs.

Just because you don't like the tone of another posters comments doesn't mean they are off topic - not what you may want to hear perhaps, but that's a different thing.

Fridge3

cit_k wrote: »

Examples of someone jumping in with their own paranoid agenda?

cit_k wrote: »

And of course, how many people jump in to attack posters, rather than stay on topic, and do so without a shred of evidence as per usual.
As evidenced by your own comment.

The cap fits perfectly...and two retaliating posts in as many minutes.

Fridge3

mrnasty wrote: »

So telling you in advance that calls maybe recorded for monitoring, training or security purposes does not constitute an agreement if you continue the call that your recording maybe used in evidence? be careful on that one....

As the person or body receiving that information, you are free to choose to hang up or continue. In context of Atos assessments, choosing to hang up would be termination of the assessment.

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

Correct, that's why you see signs in the proximity of CCTV to advise of recording (even private residential properties with CCTV should do this). There are even more regulations covering audio recording and certainly those being recorded must be aware.

No, you don't need to make the other person aware they're being recorded - I got an Atos decision overturned on the basis of a recording.

I didn't tell Atos I was doing it, but I did tell the Tribunal Service when I appealed, and told them (in writing) exactly why I did it.

But in respect to audio-recording assessments, what would you know about that? What's your own experience of these assessments?

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

As the person or body receiving that information, you are free to choose to hang up or continue. In context of Atos assessments, choosing to hang up would be termination of the assessment.

Again, how would you know all this? What's your own experience of these assessments?

Fridge3

FTW wrote: »

Again, how would you know all this?

It's not that hard to work out really. When you call a company ragarding a service and they advise that calls maybe recorded for monitoring, training or security purposes and ask if you are OK with that, it's quite a simple question. If you aren't you are free to end the call - your choice.

Same principle if you ask Atos if they are OK with you recording an assessment, they have the option to accept or decline.

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

It's not that hard to work out really. When you call a company ragarding a service and they advise that calls maybe recorded for monitoring, training or security purposes and ask if you are OK with that, it's quite a simple question. If you aren't you are free to end the call - your choice.

What, you mean a simple question like 'What's your own experience of these assessments?'.

Fridge3 wrote: »

Same principle if you ask Atos if they are OK with you recording an assessment, they have the option to accept or decline.

Well, since Atos can't be trusted in any way, they would probably say no. Ultimately, any telephone contact with them should be recorded without telling them.

Besides, what's your own experience of these assessments?

Anubis_2

Fridge3 wrote: »

It's not that hard to work out really. When you call a company ragarding a service and they advise that calls maybe recorded for monitoring, training or security purposes and ask if you are OK with that, it's quite a simple question. If you aren't you are free to end the call - your choice.

Same principle if you ask Atos if they are OK with you recording an assessment, they have the option to accept or decline.

Yes, but the difference is, a company have to inform you, wheras a person in their own home, not working for a company, does not have to inform anyone.

Fridge3

Anubis wrote: »

Yes, but the difference is, a company have to inform you, wheras a person in their own home, not working for a company, does not have to inform anyone.

So no difference when assessments are carried out at atos.