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DLA Troubles - ATOS liars!
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A few years ago, pre 2008, ATOS medical officers were all doctors, and although there were some poor ones, in the main they tried to give an honest assessment, based on their extensive medical qualifications.
What has now gone so wrong is that the government/ATOS are trying to do so many assessments, they didn't think through the backlogs that would result, and they have hired too many non-doctors, who, quite honestly, have no idea about disability or it's impact.
How can a chiropodist know more than a consultant?
This isn't just down to this government - if anything, the last government made the system even harder to plough through than it is now. The Harrington reviews have improved things quite a bit, plus I think the government is starting to get more realistic with it all.
There are also more than ATOS employees purely driven by the need to hit the 'bonus' targets - regardless of who is in front of them.
Thankfully, as it is now apparant, to the government, that this cannot continue, more and more current IB claimants, particularly the old 'exemptees' are being assessed by paper review, assuming full medical evidence is available, thereby cutting down a lot of the aggro and appeals.
The problem is that this is still taking time - all these screaming figures, stats, and headlines are generated by new claims and regular reviews - the surface of the long term IB claimant situation has barely been touched really due, in part, to a shortage of staff at the DWP and ATOS.
Anyone that does have to attend a medical assessment should take a 'support' who can take notes etc., and be ready to appeal if you do have one of the less able/less truthful ATOS health care professionals doing the assessment.
Lin
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands..........for instance, if they are placed around your throat, she's probably slightly upset.
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Yes, i have noticed more and more are being awarded without attending a medical and this is progress as it is obvious their medical evidence is being read.
Hopefully thing will hit a peak and even out, although I await the next Harrington review to see what further recommendations are going to be made.
The disabled and sick should not have to keep proving they are especially in clear cut cases. I understand that more complex cases can be harder to determine, but medical evidence from professionals should not be ignored.“How people treat you becomes their karma; how you react becomes yours.”0 -
If the view was about the process of burgling a house, or the treatment a burglar gets when arrested, or what it was like in jail etc, then yes, most likely the burglar would have more experience than you in those areas.?
Your bias is showing in this, as everything else. There is more to crime and punishment than is seen from the point of view of the burglar, just as there's more to ATOS assessments than the views of the (failed) claimants.
Why do you believe that only someone with direct experience of one particular aspect of something can have a valid view?0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »Your bias is showing in this, as everything else. There is more to crime and punishment than is seen from the point of view of the burglar, just as there's more to ATOS assessments than the views of the (failed) claimants.
Why do you believe that only someone with direct experience of one particular aspect of something can have a valid view?
Your bias is showing, because its crystal clear in my post I restricted the area of interest to a small area, and obviously that implies there is more to crime and punishment than just those areas mentioned.
And it is undeniable if the burglar has experience in a specific area, and you dont, that the burglar will have more experience than you in that specific area.
Obviously there are more areas to consider, I was clearly showing times when the burlgar can have more experience.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »
Why do you believe that only someone with direct experience of one particular aspect of something can have a valid view?
And that point shows bias, and an attempt to discredit a poster.
Show me where I have said a person without direct experience cannot have a valid view?
You wont be able to as I have never said that.
But, Im used to people on mse lying through their teeth, and trying to discredit people they are unable to debate with any other way, as they lack evidence to back them up.[greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
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The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
and we should be deeply worried about that[/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)0 -
They don't need to be brain surgeons in this particular section of atos. It's a fact they're there to contribute to benefits eligability by way of assessment, not cure or even diagnose medical conditions, rather assess what can be done in relation to working.No one becomes a surgeon just by reading about surgery (well, unless they work for Atoss
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No....... because these are the facts:Very highly debatable. But you said before that you don't use Atos, and so how would you know that they're professionals?
Atos Healthcare professionals are experts in the functional assessment of disability. In order to undertake work for the DWP they must be "approved" by the Secretary of State for DWP. Initial and ongoing approval requires a healthcare professional to successfully complete an initial course of prescribed training, to comply with the requirement for ongoing training and to ensure that their work meets the requisite quality standards.0 -
Not irrelevant. You typing that does not make it so. There's no point asking for evidence because it's a crass claim to make and in any event there's nothing to support such a claim or even suggest it's based on fact.As Atoss are already 100% biased, whether a claimant is biased is beside the point, and irrelevant.
That's old ground you're going over. Auto entry to support group for terminally ill is a good example, previously cited as a significant flaw, now just referrred to when the propaganda suits. Read the review.How have they changed things for the better?0 -
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I must thank you for your posts, it's been a while since I have had such a good laugh!0 -
They don't need to be brain surgeons in this particular section of atos.
They also don't need to be particularly medically competent in that particular section of Atoss. But then what experience do you have with these assessments?It's a fact they're there to contribute to benefits eligability by way of assessment, not cure or even diagnose medical conditions, rather assess what can be done in relation to working.
Not that they're any good at it. But in relation to assessing what can be done in relation to working, what experience do you have with that side of things?
So, from someone who makes the point about bias ad nauseum, as back-up, you quote as truth from one of the most biased sources possible. Unbelievable...0 -
Not irrelevant. You typing that does not make it so. There's no point asking for evidence because it's a crass claim to make and in any event there's nothing to support such a claim or even suggest it's based on fact.
They have to be 100% biased, and look after the client interest first (a privilege the patient never gets) - otherwise their contract simply wouldn't continue.That's old ground you're going over. Auto entry to support group for terminally ill is a good example, previously cited as a significant flaw, now just referrred to when the propaganda suits. Read the review.
Well, I'd rather you just stated what your own experience of these assessments are.0
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