Work Programme

donnajunkie

john539 wrote: »

The provider does not check your performance.

They need to check you are employed with "future employers" so they can get their fee/commission from DWP, as a condition of the Work Programme contract.

They also need to supply your employment details to DWP, so DWP can do random checks with employers to check for Provider mistakes/fraud.

If the Provider & DWP can't do these checks, then Provider may have problem getting their fee.

You can withdraw at any time your consent for Provider to contact future employers & for provider to give details to DWP for their provider verification checks.

It's a pretty shaky system for the Providers to rely on, as the Provider & DWP cannot force an employer to confirm details & cannot force you to agree to these checks when you are in employment.

i would have thought as part of their job is to support people while in work that they could ask how you are doing. also while on the work programme they basically take over the jobcentres responsibilities. so while in the past the jobcentre would make a decision whether to sanction someone the provider now has the power to make that decision. so the last thing you want is an unscrupulous adviser to find out something negative about your performance when they have the power to get you sanctioned.

donnajunkie

DCFC79 wrote: »

ive only known a few younger people to do it but it depends where in the country you are, yes i can imagine some older people messing about if maybe they arent used to work due to not having a job for years.

well yeah it is more common in the very young. i think the combination of bad parenting and having had an easy ride at school causes this.

donnajunkie

john539 wrote: »

The consent forms also make it clear you can withdraw consent at any time by writing to the provider.

whats the chances that they would conveniently lose the letter.

donnajunkie

john539 wrote: »

The best tactic for someone who does not want to sign a consent form is to say you want to think about it or that you would prefer to leave to when you get a job, as that's when it's used.

i suspect doing this would just result in them giving you a hard time at every given opportunity.

DCFC79

donnajunkie wrote: »

well yeah it is more common in the very young. i think the combination of bad parenting and having had an easy ride at school causes this.

yes you are completely correct,

john539

donnajunkie wrote: »

whats the chances that they would conveniently lose the letter.

You need to consider that & cover yourself if you really want to stop them.

The advisors at the provider will likely contact employers anyway if they have your employer details, assuming they have consent without checking the forms.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

whats the chances that they would conveniently lose the letter.

not if you sent it recorded mail then they have it and then send by email too and then also hand in a copy and get a response from them

john539

donnajunkie wrote: »

i suspect doing this would just result in them giving you a hard time at every given opportunity.

The Work Programme is only really starting-up, they are still learning how to run scheme.

There isn't really any need for the providers to get consent at first appointment.

Until they learn this, yes they could get awkward. That will only happen when people query it.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

not if you sent it recorded mail then they have it and then send by email too and then also hand in a copy and get a response from them

that just means they cant deny recieving it. they can still lose it afterwards.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

that just means they cant deny recieving it. they can still lose it afterwards.

thats not your probelm as you have proof they had it , if they lose it after thats their problem