Work Programme

LadyMissA

Karins wrote: »

It is unlikely work programme would contact an employer but they may keep in contact with some people after they have started work - particularly those who have been out of work a long time or have disabilities as they may need more support to remain in work..

but they say a year is a long time but I wouldnt need support to stay in work they are assuming we are all morons.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

wel like i said, a bad adviser who is peeved because they wont get their bonus might do something like that.

then you put in a fomal complaint to the provider then if they disagree you put in a further complaint to the Independant Case Examiner and I was told if ANY complaint gets upheld by the ICE the provider gets a MASSIVE FINE!! I have asked how much and was told MASSIVE and they do not want fines!

Karins

LadyMissA wrote: »

but they say a year is a long time but I wouldnt need support to stay in work they are assuming we are all morons.

I said they may keep in touch but as I am sure they will have enough to do getting people into work in the first place I expect it will only be for those people who feel they need it -I don't see how anyone is assuming you are a moron but there are some people who for whatever reasons may need some support and part of their contract is to provide that.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

then you put in a fomal complaint to the provider then if they disagree you put in a further complaint to the Independant Case Examiner and I was told if ANY complaint gets upheld by the ICE the provider gets a MASSIVE FINE!! I have asked how much and was told MASSIVE and they do not want fines!

yes but no-one wants to go through the stress and there is a guilty until proven innocent approach to these kind of things. you would need the employer to be willing to speak up on your behalf.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes but no-one wants to go through the stress and there is a guilty until proven innocent approach to these kind of things. you would need the employer to be willing to speak up on your behalf.

always make a complaint if treated unfairly or things have been done badly or wrong!!

john539

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes but before the redundancy happens the provider may call them to ask how you are performing. all you need is for them to say they have had a bit of time off lately. when you go back to the provider you could then get them twisting that info and saying you were a bad time keeper even though you werent.

The provider does not check your performance.

They need to check you are employed with "future employers" so they can get their fee/commission from DWP, as a condition of the Work Programme contract.

They also need to supply your employment details to DWP, so DWP can do random checks with employers to check for Provider mistakes/fraud.

If the Provider & DWP can't do these checks, then Provider may have problem getting their fee.

You can withdraw at any time your consent for Provider to contact future employers & for provider to give details to DWP for their provider verification checks.

It's a pretty shaky system for the Providers to rely on, as the Provider & DWP cannot force an employer to confirm details & cannot force you to agree to these checks when you are in employment.

LadyMissA

john539 wrote: »

It's a pretty shaky system for the Providers to rely on, as the Provider & DWP cannot force an employer to confirm details & cannot force you to agree to these checks when you are in employment.

someone on here said they were made to sign a consent form to allow the provider to call the employer when they started a job

DCFC79

donnajunkie wrote: »

i've known people of all ages to be like that.

ive only known a few younger people to do it but it depends where in the country you are, yes i can imagine some older people messing about if maybe they arent used to work due to not having a job for years.

john539

LadyMissA wrote: »

someone on here said they were made to sign a consent form to allow the provider to call the employer when they started a job

The providers want & NEED people to sign the consent forms to help get their fees from DWP. The DWP have lumbered the providers with this, as DWP know legally they cannot force people to give informed consent.

So they will "encourage" people to sign them & tell them they really need to sign, they should sign, they must sign. It's difficult to argue with in the seconds you have to look at these forms.

But the consent forms make it clear you do not have to sign.

The consent forms also make it clear you can withdraw consent at any time by writing to the provider.

The providers are getting consent forms signed straightaway, so it is done, out of way & forgotten.

But they could wait to get consent when you get a job, but then they know you might not agree, as you know you are leaving & they will then have problem getting their fee.

The best tactic for someone who does not want to sign a consent form is to say you want to think about it or that you would prefer to leave to when you get a job, as that's when it's used.

LadyMissA

john539 wrote: »

The providers want & NEED people to sign the consent forms to help get their fees from DWP. The DWP have lumbered the providers with this, as DWP know legally they cannot force people to give informed consent.

So they will "encourage" people to sign them & tell them they really need to sign, they should sign, they must sign. It's difficult to argue with in the seconds you have to look at these forms.

But the consent forms make it clear you do not have to sign.

The consent forms also make it clear you can withdraw consent at any time by writing to the provider.

The providers are getting consent forms signed straightaway, so it is done, out of way & forgotten.

But they could wait to get consent when you get a job, but then they know you might not agree, as you know you are leaving & they will then have problem getting their fee.

The best tactic for someone who does not want to sign a consent form is to say you want to think about it or that you would prefer to leave to when you get a job, as that's when it's used.

I go for my first appointment with my provider on Tuesday and if they ask me to sign anything I will ask to take the form away and read it in my own time