Work Programme

DebiT

LadyMissA wrote: »

Ok true but the bloke had a MASSIVE attitude with me this morning asking me why did I not want to sign so I said that it said on the form that I didn't have to so why give the option. He then said they would not have a complete file to report back to the JC. He then went on to say 'what do you want us to do for you so I said 'maybe you can tell me, I have no idea. I don't even know what you do'! He then asked me then if I was ok so I told him I didn't like his attitude all because I wouldn't sign the form.

He then said if they found a job they could not put me forward for the job if I DIDNT sign the form so to stop him going mental I signed it but I told him of they call me with a job thats not suitable I will just tell them no they can't put me forward at all and I dont want to be in the situation where some company has all your details when you do not even want to work there!

You cant still rescind your permission if you put it in writing. You mustn't let them bully you into doing what they want. Never forget that this is a business to them and you are just cold hard cash. No one has the right to access your data without your permission and you cannot be sanctioned for it.

Caroline_a

LadyMissA wrote: »

If they have not done anything for me in 3 mths I will be putting in an official complaint!

Can I ask exactly what you want them to do for you? I worked some years ago for a training provider that ran the Employment Training and Training for Work Scheme. Our brief (as supplied by our paymasters, the Government) was to get people into jobs, and provide them with an NVQ on the way. The payment was staged and the final one was made when the person had been in the job a month. We lost a lot of money that way, with companies not sending paperwork back, people disappearing off the face of the earth, etc.

If you are jeopardising that company's income, why would they go out of their way to help you?

LadyMissA

Caroline_a wrote: »

Can I ask exactly what you want them to do for you? I worked some years ago for a training provider that ran the Employment Training and Training for Work Scheme. Our brief (as supplied by our paymasters, the Government) was to get people into jobs, and provide them with an NVQ on the way. The payment was staged and the final one was made when the person had been in the job a month. We lost a lot of money that way, with companies not sending paperwork back, people disappearing off the face of the earth, etc.

If you are jeopardising that company's income, why would they go out of their way to help you?

I never asked a 'provider' for 'help' I was made to go there. And I don't need an NVQ as I have 20 years expereince in accounts.

I need travel to interviews (particually agencies) and they told me that the job centre have been lying to me for a year and that they would have given me £ to get to agencies.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

ok went for my appointment for 9am. Thought I'd be there 2-3 hours like the letter said but was there 40 mins!!!

What a bit of a joke. Basically just went through an initial assesment to see if I am work ready and what job/s I was looking for. Produced a print out and was like the first half of the job seekers agreement.

Was told I have another appointment in 2 weeks to I can do the full assesment and be set a 'task' to do like homework. Then I will only need to go there once a MONTH and they will call me in the 2 weeks inbetween to see how I am going.

Not that impressed so far as it will be 6 weeks till I get an appointment with someone after this inital start today.

unless they are useful it is better to see them as little as possible. i wouldnt see it as a bad thing coz they probably arent useful.

Caroline_a

LadyMissA wrote: »

I never asked a 'provider' for 'help' I was made to go there. And I don't need an NVQ as I have 20 years expereince in accounts.

I need travel to interviews (particually agencies) and they told me that the job centre have been lying to me for a year and that they would have given me £ to get to agencies.

In your words

If they have not done anything for me in 3 mths I will be putting in an official complaint!

You are obviously doing something wrong in your job applications, as if you have good experience and are in London, and are making 60 applications a week, then there is no reason at all why you are not getting jobs, unless your applications are flawed. It may be something small, or it may be something major, such as not tailoring your application letter and CV to each individual job. I have to say that I struggle to understand why you have not put £1 in a jar each week towards travelling to these agencies which you feel are going to be the solution to your jobsearch.

You do come across as very resentful towards everyone and everything in your posts, and you are offering lots of reasons of 'I can't' but no solutions to enable 'I can'. Unfortunately nobody else is going to offer things on a plate to you - these days you have to go out and get it yourself. Why don't you do some volunteer work to get youself out of the house? Apart from anything else, it will keep your hand in, and will give you something else to put on your CV - employers can afford to be choosy now if someone has done nothing whilst being unemployed for over a year.

You say that you don't need an NVQ - I guess you have high level accounts qualifications then? Or are you rejecting a new slant on a way forward?

I have just been interviewing for a new role within my small business. The people who came across as enthusiastic and keen are more likely to get interviews with me than those with lots of experience and qualifications, but have done nothing since becoming unemployed.

john539

DebiT wrote: »

Once you refuse to give permission, the provider does not want to know as they cannot then claim money from the DWP for you.

They can still claim money, see items 17-20 on page 4 and items 21-25 on page 5, using automated off-benefit check or automated HMRC P45 employment check or manual check with customers who did not give consent.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pg-chapter-5.pdf
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john539

Caroline_a wrote: »

If you are jeopardising that company's income, why would they go out of their way to help you?

These companies are going to make a pile of money off jobseekers for doing very little. Many of the jobseekers will find jobs themselves with those providers trying to claim a fee off their back for doing little or nothing.

The contract & arrangements agreed by DWP with providers (private companies) is nothing to do with jobseekers.

That does not justify jobseekers being exploited, manipulated or signing away their rights.

DWP has covered itself by saying consent must be informed consent freely given basically washing its hands of the issue as it knows it cannot force people to give consent. Private companies can cut corners, not follow rules.

DWP has also said that not giving consent MUST not affect person's place on programme.

The way they dealt with LadyMissA is wrong, because they don't know the rules & don't know what they are doing.

The worrying thing is they didn't check and were more interested in their own interests.
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LadyMissA

Caroline_a wrote: »

In your words

You are obviously doing something wrong in your job applications, as if you have good experience and are in London, and are making 60 applications a week, then there is no reason at all why you are not getting jobs, unless your applications are flawed. It may be something small, or it may be something major, such as not tailoring your application letter and CV to each individual job. I have to say that I struggle to understand why you have not put £1 in a jar each week towards travelling to these agencies which you feel are going to be the solution to your jobsearch.

You do come across as very resentful towards everyone and everything in your posts, and you are offering lots of reasons of 'I can't' but no solutions to enable 'I can'. Unfortunately nobody else is going to offer things on a plate to you - these days you have to go out and get it yourself. Why don't you do some volunteer work to get youself out of the house? Apart from anything else, it will keep your hand in, and will give you something else to put on your CV - employers can afford to be choosy now if someone has done nothing whilst being unemployed for over a year.

You say that you don't need an NVQ - I guess you have high level accounts qualifications then? Or are you rejecting a new slant on a way forward?

I have just been interviewing for a new role within my small business. The people who came across as enthusiastic and keen are more likely to get interviews with me than those with lots of experience and qualifications, but have done nothing since becoming unemployed.

There is nothing wrong with my applications if I get agencies calling me all the time. I have got myself in debt going to some in the first 6 mths I was out of work with no luck and two actual interviews where in one I was told to my face the job (the same as what I have done for the last 15 years) was not big enough for me.

I am resentful as today I was told something totally different to what FOUR different people have told me for the last year at the job centre.

Also resentful that I had to borrow £200 to go to the dentist in the first 6 mths of me being out of work so I could have treatment at the dentist but if I hadn't paid any NI I would have got that FREE!!!!

If you can't understand why I can't save £1 a week then I guess you haven't had to pay 'keep' of £250 a month out of £65 a week payments and strugle to keep your head above water.

I tailor all my applications and have 3 versions of my CV and different cover letters.

If you think you know it all explain why I can't get jobs as a junior in accounts paying the minimum wage?

Being out of work and looking for a job is a full time job in itself.

Thanks for your input though.

LadyMissA

john539 wrote: »

These companies are going to make a pile of money off jobseekers for doing very little. Many of the jobseekers will find jobs themselves with those providers trying to claim a fee off their back for doing little or nothing.

The contract & arrangements agreed by DWP with providers (private companies) is nothing to do with jobseekers.

That does not justify jobseekers being exploited, manipulated or signing away their rights.

DWP has covered itself by saying consent must be informed consent freely given basically washing its hands of the issue as it knows it cannot force people to give consent. Private companies can cut corners, not follow rules.

DWP has also said that not giving consent MUST not affect person's place on programme.

The way they dealt with LadyMissA is wrong, because they don't know the rules & don't know what they are doing.

The worrying thing is they didn't check and were more interested in their own interests.
.

They will get their £ even if you get yourself a job so it doesn't matter

Caroline_a

LadyMissA wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with my applications if I get agencies calling me all the time. I have got myself in debt going to some in the first 6 mths I was out of work with no luck and two actual interviews where in one I was told to my face the job (the same as what I have done for the last 15 years) was not big enough for me.

I am resentful as today I was told something totally different to what FOUR different people have told me for the last year at the job centre.

Also resentful that I had to borrow £200 to go to the dentist in the first 6 mths of me being out of work so I could have treatment at the dentist but if I hadn't paid any NI I would have got that FREE!!!!

If you can't understand why I can't save £1 a week then I guess you haven't had to pay 'keep' of £250 a month out of £65 a week payments and strugle to keep your head above water.

I tailor all my applications and have 3 versions of my CV and different cover letters.

If you think you know it all explain why I can't get jobs as a junior in accounts paying the minimum wage?

Being out of work and looking for a job is a full time job in itself.

Thanks for your input though.

Unfortunately your post says it all. You are totally defensive, inasmuch as you feel you are doing everything right and everyone else is against you and wrong. This attitude, I promise you, will guarantee that you won't get a job.

I understand how difficult it is living on a minimum amount of money, I assure you I have had to live on a lot less with 3 young children when there was less money on offer, but I always had to remain positive as I had the children to consider and not just myself. They always came first, I came a long time behind but a 'poor me' attitude would never have helped me. I lived in a part of the country where there were far fewer jobs than there are in London, and I pulled myself out of the situation, so I know it can be done. Believe me, it's a lot easier doing it for one than when you have children in tow.

Only you can solve this. You have to recognise that it is something that you are doing that is preventing you getting a job. Accept the responsibility. The world doesn't owe you a living, and if you want a job you need to have an outlook that an employer will see as positive and constructive. Yes, you've had some bad luck, but so have a lot of us - I've been made redundant around 7 times, but pulled myself back every time. If I don't do it for me, nobody else will do.

Your life, your responsibility, your choices.