Work Programme

LadyMissA

Caroline_a wrote: »

Unfortunately your post says it all. You are totally defensive, inasmuch as you feel you are doing everything right and everyone else is against you and wrong. This attitude, I promise you, will guarantee that you won't get a job.

I understand how difficult it is living on a minimum amount of money, I assure you I have had to live on a lot less with 3 young children when there was less money on offer, but I always had to remain positive as I had the children to consider and not just myself. They always came first, I came a long time behind but a 'poor me' attitude would never have helped me. I lived in a part of the country where there were far fewer jobs than there are in London, and I pulled myself out of the situation, so I know it can be done. Believe me, it's a lot easier doing it for one than when you have children in tow.

Only you can solve this. You have to recognise that it is something that you are doing that is preventing you getting a job. Accept the responsibility. The world doesn't owe you a living, and if you want a job you need to have an outlook that an employer will see as positive and constructive. Yes, you've had some bad luck, but so have a lot of us - I've been made redundant around 7 times, but pulled myself back every time. If I don't do it for me, nobody else will do.

Your life, your responsibility, your choices.

so to be lied to by the job centre for a year is ok? Sorry that I don't see it that way.

Like I asked you if I have 20 years accounts experience why when I apply for jobs paying the minimum wage I get knock backs saying I have too much experience?

I want to work and cant get interviews at minimum wage, why is that?

And I don't LIVE in London

LadyMissA

Caroline_a wrote: »

The world doesn't owe you a living, and if you want a job you need to have an outlook that an employer will see as positive and constructive. Yes, you've had some bad luck, but so have a lot of us - I've been made redundant around 7 times, but pulled myself back every time. If I don't do it for me, nobody else will do.

Your life, your responsibility, your choices.

Wow I have had some bad luck? You said it was my choice....I never chose to be shafted by my company and them all laughing at me to know I am strugling

I never said ANYONE owed me anything!

And not sure how you think an employer can 'see' anything via a good cover letter and an very comprehensive CV but thanks.

I wont be replying or posting again.

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Unfortunately your post says it all. You are totally defensive, inasmuch as you feel you are doing everything right and everyone else is against you and wrong. This attitude, I promise you, will guarantee that you won't get a job.

I understand how difficult it is living on a minimum amount of money, I assure you I have had to live on a lot less with 3 young children when there was less money on offer, but I always had to remain positive as I had the children to consider and not just myself. They always came first, I came a long time behind but a 'poor me' attitude would never have helped me. I lived in a part of the country where there were far fewer jobs than there are in London, and I pulled myself out of the situation, so I know it can be done. Believe me, it's a lot easier doing it for one than when you have children in tow.

Only you can solve this. You have to recognise that it is something that you are doing that is preventing you getting a job. Accept the responsibility. The world doesn't owe you a living, and if you want a job you need to have an outlook that an employer will see as positive and constructive. Yes, you've had some bad luck, but so have a lot of us - I've been made redundant around 7 times, but pulled myself back every time. If I don't do it for me, nobody else will do.

Your life, your responsibility, your choices.

When you have children you get a lot more money and help than when you dont have children.FACT. Did someone force you to have your children then? You have got some cheek saying what you did and have come across as someone who loves to play the martyr and you have also come across as a hypocrite.
After all your children were your life, your responsibility,your choices. YOUR WORDS no one elses!

Caroline_a

dark_lady wrote: »

When you have children you get a lot more money and help than when you dont have children.FACT. Did someone force you to have your children then? You have got some cheek saying what you did and have come across as someone who loves to play the martyr and you have also come across as a hypocrite.
After all your children were your life, your responsibility,your choices. YOUR WORDS no one elses!

Yes and when I had my children I was married with a working husband who was able to support us. He decided that he wanted to go self employed, didnt bother to work and our house was reposessed. He refused to sign on so I was forced to support myself, him and the children on Child Benefit and nothing else. At the time it was around £22 a week. When you know the facts then you can make a judgement, your FACT was wrong. Apart from Child Benefit I had no help financially to look after my kids, and no maintenance from their father. I faced up to the responsibility, left my husband, got a job and pulled myself out of the mire. I never needed to be a martyr because I was never a victim - I took control of the situation and worked my butt off so that my kids had a life. They are now all successful, hard-working, well paid adults, through their own efforts.

Please don't judge me by your standards.... you know nothing about me.

donnajunkie

Caroline_a wrote: »

Yes and when I had my children I was married with a working husband who was able to support us. He decided that he wanted to go self employed, didnt bother to work and our house was reposessed. He refused to sign on so I was forced to support myself, him and the children on Child Benefit and nothing else. At the time it was around £22 a week. When you know the facts then you can make a judgement, your FACT was wrong. Apart from Child Benefit I had no help financially to look after my kids, and no maintenance from their father. I faced up to the responsibility, left my husband, got a job and pulled myself out of the mire. I never needed to be a martyr because I was never a victim - I took control of the situation and worked my butt off so that my kids had a life. They are now all successful, hard-working, well paid adults, through their own efforts.

Please don't judge me by your standards.... you know nothing about me.

sorry to sound unsympathetic but it is hard to believe that someone was supporting a husband and kids with just £22. by the way just because he refused to claim dole that doesnt mean you couldnt have made a claim.

palna

So i tried to get fast track onto the job programe and couldnt

I spoke to the manager,probably manager for that team not the building.
he said he thought it would be a waste of jobcentres moneys.

He said the company would make you do everything yourself which you already doing.

I also told him my last job was 5 months on/off and everyday i was looking for other work, which is true.

Any other ways i could still get on the work programe?

donnajunkie

palna wrote: »

So i tried to get fast track onto the job programe and couldnt

I spoke to the manager,probably manager for that team not the building.
he said he thought it would be a waste of jobcentres moneys.

He said the company would make you do everything yourself which you already doing.

I also told him my last job was 5 months on/off and everyday i was looking for other work, which is true.

Any other ways i could still get on the work programe?

you really dont want to be fast tracked, its rubbish. unless of course you like being pushed around, told to do pointless tasks and told you cant apply for the jobs you want to do.

DebiT

palna wrote: »

So i tried to get fast track onto the job programe and couldnt

I spoke to the manager,probably manager for that team not the building.
he said he thought it would be a waste of jobcentres moneys.

He said the company would make you do everything yourself which you already doing.

I also told him my last job was 5 months on/off and everyday i was looking for other work, which is true.

Any other ways i could still get on the work programe?

If you have a decent CV you dont need the Work Programme, because that is all they are capable of learning you. If you think you will get a decent job out of going there you can forget it. My friend was on FND for a year begging even for a free placement, and they couldnt help. They have no clout with local employers and no time for you. Her adviser told her he was supposed to contact employers one day a week to place clients, but he was so busy seeing customers he couldnt get round to it. Its the same as going to the jobcentre but with more form filling and time wasting. By the time they have finished with you you will be totally demoralised. Oh, and if you make one small mistake, or turn up late you will be sanctioned and lose benefit.

excalibar

DebiT wrote: »

If you have a decent CV you dont need the Work Programme, because that is all they are capable of learning you. If you think you will get a decent job out of going there you can forget it. My friend was on FND for a year begging even for a free placement, and they couldnt help. They have no clout with local employers and no time for you. Her adviser told her he was supposed to contact employers one day a week to place clients, but he was so busy seeing customers he couldnt get round to it. Its the same as going to the jobcentre but with more form filling and time wasting. By the time they have finished with you you will be totally demoralised. Oh, and if you make one small mistake, or turn up late you will be sanctioned and lose benefit.

I also have a decent CV and to be honest I don't really need the help of finding work. I have decent qualifications, decent experience and never got sacked. But I still have to go to Maximus. Has anyone been there? is this the same as all other companies part of the work programme? also how many hours do you have to attend? can you come at your own hours? say afternoon for couple of hours for 2 days a week? surely 9-3 every weekday for 2 years is unrealistic considering you still get the same amount of JSA.

And what's this about refusing to go to the work programme? is it really possible? has anybody been successful in not going and not being sanctioned either?..Don't get me wrong am all up for doing anything that helps me get a job but am just curious if you don't believe its of any help then is it really possible to be excuses from it?? I have not seen anyone claim they succeeded in not going without losing their Benefits.

Cheers!

WPN

palna wrote: »

So i tried to get fast track onto the job programe and couldnt

I spoke to the manager,probably manager for that team not the building.
he said he thought it would be a waste of jobcentres moneys.

He said the company would make you do everything yourself which you already doing.

I also told him my last job was 5 months on/off and everyday i was looking for other work, which is true.

Any other ways i could still get on the work programe?

Ouch!! That means Jobcentre Plus don't think you are worth the initial £400 (£600 for ESA).

This is apparently all it costs per person (the rest is via outcome after 6 months, and then a sustainable payment if still in the job longer term) - and thats for the 2 year scheme.

It really is a kick in the teeth. It is merely guidelines regarding when you can join - in theory all they have to do is give you a letter saying you must attend - although the "work programme" isn't an employment programme so you can't lawfully be sanctioned!!