Another DLA refusal!!!

victory

beanielou wrote: »

Will grant going to tribunial is stressful but it is not physically difficult unless you are totoally housebound.
Its just like going for any other appointment.

:wave::wave:

beanielou

Hi Vic :wave:

Anubis_2

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

gannonea, if you daughter at one point was awarded DLA it would have been for a disability not a ' long term disease '.

- disabled is disabled
- ill is ill
- both require care .. .. but
- ill is not disabled
- DLA is for disability, not illness
- too many people who are ill claim to be disabled

DLA is about helping with care & mobility issues as a result of a disability,
that's why I asked what your daughters care & mobility needs are ?
There are a lot of people here with a wealth of knowledge and
experience who can help if you ask.

Illnesses DO make people disabled. I am one such case! I have 14 different illnesses and because of them I am severely disabled, and all of them are long term, seven are severe and some are life threatening - I have to spend 90 percent of my life in bed as the pain, exhaustiin and weakness through these illnesses are so disabling I am unable to lead any form of a normal life - are you suggesting I am not entitled? Are you suggesting I am claiming to be disabled when I am only ill? Are you suggesting that DLA is not for people like
me? I cannot go out without a wheelchair, I can never drive, I cannot get up and downstairs, so why should I not be classed as disabled and entitled to DLA?

If my only disability was that I had both legs amputated, I would be able to lead a much better quality of life than I have been doing for years, so why are you suggesting that someone who has no legs below the knee is more entitled than myself or anyone like me who has various long term illnesses?

People lose limbs through illness. Someone with primary progressive MS is ill, but also the nature if their illness makes them disabled. Pain is very
debilitating, feeling exhausted all the time is debilitating, disability does not stop at people who have very apparent disability that can be easily seen, such as loss of limbs etc, disability covers a very wide spectrum!

DLA is for physical and mental disabilities. Whether such disabilities are present from birth, or through amputation, or through long term sickness or illnesses such as arthritis, MS, Asperger's etc is of little consequence, because DLA is about how a disability affects you regardless of how the disability is formed.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Anubis wrote: »

Illnesses DO make people disabled. I am one such case! I have 14 different illnesses and because of them I am severely disabled, and all of them are long term, seven are severe and some are life threatening - I have to spend 90 percent of my life in bed as the pain, exhaustiin and weakness through these illnesses are so disabling I am unable to lead any form of a normal life - are you suggesting I am not entitled? Are you suggesting I am claiming to be disabled when I am only ill? Are you suggesting that DLA is not for people like
me? I cannot go out without a wheelchair, I can never drive, I cannot get up and downstairs, so why should I not be classed as disabled and entitled to DLA?

If my only disability was that I had both legs amputated, I would be able to lead a much better quality of life than I have been doing for years, so why are you suggesting that someone who has no legs below the knee is more entitled than myself or anyone like me who has various long term illnesses?

People lose limbs through illness. Someone with primary progressive MS is ill, but also the nature if their illness makes them disabled. Pain is very
debilitating, feeling exhausted all the time is debilitating, disability does not stop at people who have very apparent disability that can be easily seen, such as loss of limbs etc, disability covers a very wide spectrum!

DLA is for physical and mental disabilities. Whether such disabilities are present from birth, or through amputation, or through long term sickness or illnesses such as arthritis, MS, Asperger's etc is of little consequence, because DLA is about how a disability affects you regardless of how the disability is formed.

Illness does not make people disabled, the law does. Its a definition in law.

Where did I suggest or even mention """ no legs below the knee """

Anubis_2

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Illness does not make people disabled, the law does. Its a definition in law.

Where did I suggest or even mention """ no legs below the knee """

I mentioned the amputation because you are saying that only visible disablement qualifies.

I do not care what the law states, illness does disable people. You are stating that people with severe MS, cancer, crippling arthritis and other similar illnesses are not disabled and furthermore such people should not claim for DLA!

These illnesses cause severe disablement - they prevent the person being able to do normal day to day things. The law has nothing to do with the extent someone is incapcitated due to illness, this is not about law!

Who, in your opinion, shpuld claim? What, in your mind, is a disability?

Richie-from-the-Boro

Anubis,

in an earlier thread you said "" Me, I don't want DLA, I only want a blue badge ""

Have you made an approach, and what happened ? - You may want to start a new thread to concentrate on your personal BB claim.

Anubis_2

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Anubis,

in an earlier thread you said "" Me, I don't want DLA, I only want a blue badge ""

Have you made an approach, and what happened ? - You may want to start a new thread to concentrate on your personal BB claim.

I never said that - I have a blue badge, HRM, HRC awarded indefinitely five weeks ago. Please read back who did say that, you will find it is not me

Richie-from-the-Boro

Anubis wrote: »

I mentioned the amputation because you are saying that only visible disablement qualifies.

I do not care what the law states, illness does disable people. You are stating that people with severe MS, cancer, crippling arthritis and other similar illnesses are not disabled and furthermore such people should not claim for DLA!

These illnesses cause severe disablement - they prevent the person being able to do normal day to day things. The law has nothing to do with the extent someone is incapacitated due to illness, this is not about law!

Who, in your opinion, should claim? What, in your mind, is a disability?

You ask """ What, in your mind, is a disability "" - far too subjective and wide ranging a question - do you mean - """ What, in your mind, is a disability in relation to DLA or to Blue Badge rules ?
Where did I say """ only visible disablement qualifies""" ? - show me
You say """ I do not care what the law states "" - there you have a problem - the law is the law - use it or lose it !

I was defining disabled in terms of DLA / Blue Badge as whatever the law at the time says it was / is. There are different definitions of course, disabled for the Disability Discrimination Act , disabled for the Equality Act 2010, and in this case disabled for the 2000 Social Security Act.

Anubis_2

The fact is, whether the law states it or not, illnesses do make people disabled, which is the point I was making. Even if there was no such thing as DLA and blue badge ( which there never used to be btw, I was disabled before DLA came out) it still would not make any difference as there would still be disabled people who are incapaciated due to sickness.

Richie-from-the-Boro

fortate wrote: »

I think that might be me!

I made that comment in passing when answering the question about the difficulties encountered with making a claim for DLA.

That's all I want, I don't want the stress and everything else that goes with a claim that will in any event have to go to appeal.

A nice simple quiet life. I have enough worries about my deteriorating health, never mind the DWP!

I filled out the blue badge claim form best I could and have sent it off with my £2, photo, copy of my council tax bill and a copy of my latest bank statement.

I will have to wait now, but am fully expecting to have to go for a medical to show them how difficult it is to walk on a straight 25 yard line.

Yes it was you, I owe Anubis and apology. My reason for posting to you earlier is that I can see no reason why someone with your prognosis can not secure a blue badge. You are indeed more likely to succeed on a ' face to face ' application, its not just the mechanics of the ' walk test ' its the supporting dialogue you give whilst there. Frequency & duration on both good and bad days and how your health has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on your ability to carry out day-to-day activities.

The new rules [ not even due till next year ] are still in the middle of the committee stages, some LA's have been early adopters and more than mercenary in their approach.