NO...Cyclists don't ride on pavements or jump red lights at all.

Flyboy152

sequence wrote: »

Errmm, no, I don't think so.

Erm....yes, I think it is.

But if you want to pedantic about it, the charge is "wanton and furious driving."

Why did you start this thread again ? What's your agenda ?

Read the thread.

johnfarquhar74

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Peadlling furiously, is an offence.

My words were chosen carefully. I'm aware of the that particular legal term. It is possible to pedal furiously and achieve a relatively low speed, it is also possible for a cyclist to exceed posted limits, without pedalling furiously, and without breaking the law.

Flyboy152 wrote: »

In the eyes of a biased inquest maybe. But morally, it would have been the cyclist's fault, for attempting to break the speed limit. If a driver of a car was to do that, they would be found at fault. Driving without care and attention, at the very least.

Morals/Fault/Blame. Altogether different things. If a car driver pulled out on to that road without giving way, they'd be guilty/liable/in the wrong.
The cyclist, although travelling fast, does not deserve nor is looking for an accident, yet it seems that if one was to happen this is acceptable?

Flyboy152

What thoroughly reprehensible accusation to make. I have never, ever suggested anything of the sort. Only a sick mind would even consider such a comparison.

sequence

Flyboy152 wrote: »

My point was not to start a battle about car drivers do silly things, my point was that we are constantly told, by the Lycra association, that cyclists are the pinnacle of virtue when it comes to road craft.

The only time I hear this nonsense is from the mass media supporting some anti-cyclist sentiment, or from car drivers doing much of the same.

I've never known any cyclists claim or believe to be "the pinnacle of virtue".

The same goes for the supposed "holier than thou because I'm a green cyclist" attitude, which is more mythical nonsense perpetrated by non cyclists, MSM. Almost nobody cycles because it green, or they care about the environment they cycle because it's cheap, convenient, fast (or they don't want to become a fat b&^%£$). In the same vain as the road tax myth

Flyboy152

sequence wrote: »

The only time I hear this nonsense is from the mass media supporting some anti-cyclist sentiment, or from car drivers doing much of the same.

I've never known any cyclists claim or believe to be "the pinnacle of virtue".

The same goes for the supposed "holier than thou because I'm a green cyclist" attitude, which is more mythical nonsense perpetrated by non cyclists, MSM. Almost nobody cycles because it green, or they care about the environment they cycle because it's cheap, convenient, fast (or they don't want to become a fat b&^%£$). In the same vain as the road tax myth

:wall:

You don't visit this forum very often, do you?

sequence

Not too often.... ?

johnfarquhar74

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Peadlling furiously, is an offence.
In the eyes of a biased inquest maybe. But morally, it would have been the cyclist's fault, for attempting to break the speed limit. If a driver of a car was to do that, they would be found at fault. Driving without care and attention, at the very least.

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

It's almost like saying women that dress like sluts deserve to be raped, that didn't work out too well for one particular Canadian official.

Flyboy152 wrote: »

What thoroughly reprehensible accusation to make. I have never, ever suggested anything of the sort. Only a sick mind would even consider such a comparison.

I thought I was rather careful in what I typed, I said 'it's almost like', from what I have read from yours and others posts, you feel that in the situation as posted by Gaz545 on Youtube, he puts himself at risk and he would be morally responsible if another road user pulled out across his path without due car and attention. Personally, I wouldn't like to put myself in that position of risk but that is not to say Gaz545 is in the wrong, either legally or morally.
My comparison, a paraphrased quote from a Canadian law man, is just as ridiculous! If that offends you then consider the offence that your posted opinions may cause cyclists that have been involved in accidents through no fault of their own!

diable

The last cyclist that went through a red light and nearly run me over had the unfortunate experience of face palming the tarmac as his front brake caught my hand, he was aggressive but then I reminded him that in fact he had run me over and we should call the Police he limped off with his bike on his shoulder as it was un-rideable, oh and I am a cyclist myself, used to race and cycle round town so I am not a hater ;o))))

thelawnet

Flyboy152 wrote: »

It doesn't matter if is or not, the fact is he was attempting it. As you say, if a car pulled out from that driveway, while he was concentrating on riding as furiously as he could, to get the safety camera to activate, he would have been toast. But seeing as there is a tendency to exonerate the cyclist in these circumstances, the driver would be blamed for someone else's stupidity.

BS. The tendency is to exonerate the driver.

This woman: http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2092575_byfleet_crash_driver_undergoing_counselling killed a young boy with her car, was charged with driving under the influence of prescription drugs, drove off without stopping and had a bald tyre on her car. She had to pay £87 was not disqualified from driving and has to do community serivce - just as soon as she returns from her holiday.

Meanwhile this pair: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/takeaway_sex_act_pair_sent_to_jail_1_3379462 were sentenced for 28 days for giving a blowjob in a Chinese takeaway, thereby 'outraging the public decency'.

That's the reality - you'll go to jail for having sex, but killing cyclists in a car is not considered indecent at all.

This woman: http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2083817_fatal_bike_crash_lady_73_just_came_out_of_nowhere was on an unnecessary car journey to the petrol station to topup her phone, when she killed a 73-year-old 'pillar of the community' who eyewitnesses reported was signalling right on her bike. The killer driver said she didn't see her (presumably because she was chatting to her friend/fiddling with the stereo/etc), the police accepted this and she wasn't prosecuted.

Fact is cars are designed to permit people to drive along eating a burger while fiddling with the hifi and sending a text. And if as a reslt of this, you get in an accident, your bumper crumples, the airbag gets deployed and you walk away uninjured. Which is why car drivers should be punished severely when they drive in a careless manner - because the consequences are unlikely to fall on them, they will fall on a pedestrian or cyclist - the law needs to be as harsh as possible on careless drivers in order to deter dangerous behaviour behind the wheel. But it isn't, the driver faces minimal punishment even after killing someone, and even if banned from driving, psycho drivers are allowed behind the wheel again after a year or two.

thelawnet

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I spotted this whilst looking for something else. It proves there are some very dangerous and idiot road users out their.

Well yes there are. But given that idiots are idiots, I'd rather said idiots ride bicycles than get behind the wheel of a 155mph 3-tonne motor vehicle.

The risk from bad cycling falls on the cyclist. Call that Darwinism, call it natural justice, whatever, but I don't see a problem with that. I was down in Brighton today, saw a bus that said 'Cyclists: do not pass this bus on the left'. 'Duh', I thought, 'Why would you pass on t he left of a 15-tonne bus that might move in and crush you to death'. Just as I read this a woman started to undertake the bus. She didn't get very far, as the bus started to move in.

She was stupid, but the risk was her own, nobody elses.

OTOH, if you drive past a school at 50mph, you are unlikely to injure yourself, but there's a good chance of killing a child. That's the problem with motor vehicles. Idiots don't pay for their idiocy. I've heard it said that you could improve motor vehicle safety by replacing the airbag with a big spike in the steering wheel, to encourage people to drive safely.