Unfair/Illeagal ban of used software sales

Arg

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Care to point out where I stated that it was.
If you read my post again, you will see that I clearly said that "the licence covers both reselling and piracy" (ie, 2 different things)

Anyone could put any old nonsense in pages of writing and slap it infront of someone just before their about to enjoy their product, so what?

ps, By anyone looking at any of my posts they agree to everything and anything I want, such is the license for my posts. :rotfl:

shaun_from_Africa

Anyone could put any old nonsense in pages of writing and slap it infront of someone just before their about to enjoy their product, so what?

Well, if it's "any old nonsense" in the licence agreements, why haven't Trading standards of the OFT in the UK and the equivilent bodies in other countries taken action against the companies who include all this "nonsense"?

ps, By anyone looking at any of my posts they agree to everything and anything I want, such is the license for my posts.

Surely you know that your terms are legally unenforcable as you are stating them after people have already read your post.

Flyboy152

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Surely you know that your terms are legally unenforcable as you are stating them after people have already read your post.

Do you get to review the terms and conditions of a game, before you buy it?

Arg

About as enforcable as those fake licenses on games?

Well, if it's "any old nonsense" in the licence agreements, why haven't Trading standards of the OFT in the UK and the equivilent bodies in other countries taken action against the companies who include all this "nonsense"?

Has there been any cases supporting these nonsense agreements?

shaun_from_Africa

Do you get to review the terms and conditions of a game, before you buy it?

Not normally, but according to many licences, if you don't like the terms then you can return the goods for a refund, although in practice I don't know if this would work in the UK.

YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING THE SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE SOFTWARE; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND, IF APPLICABLE.

Has there been any cases supporting these nonsense agreements?

The old "show me proof of a negative argument, which always appears when someone can't actually show proof of their claim that something is illegal.
Legal cases are taken against breeches of the law so why would there be any case supporting something that is legal?
Could you show me proof of any case where a judge has stated that you can wear a hat whilst posting on internet forums?
If not, then by your logic it must be illegal to do so.

DeeMarie89

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Do you get to review the terms and conditions of a game, before you buy it?

To be fair, you probably could review the company's T&C's on their website.

Arg wrote: »

ps, By anyone looking at any of my posts they agree to everything and anything I want, such is the license for my posts. :rotfl:

Also, unlike your post, you don't get given the T&C's at the end of the game :wall:

Flyboy152

DeeMarie89 wrote: »

To be fair, you probably could review the company's T&C's on their website.

One does not normally have access tot he internet when standing at the counter of a shop.

Also, unlike your post, you don't get given the T&C's at the end of the game :wall:

I don't have any terms and conditions :huh:

However, one cannot see the terms and conditions until one has bought the game.

Proc

Bazman wrote: »

But how is it copyright theft? The original owner is giving up the game so there is only one copy of the game (a legitimate one) being used at any one time?

You're assuming he's giving up the game. In reality he's not. It's still in his Steam account. He knows this seeing as everytime he logs in it's still there on his Games list. Your problem is with the mis-leading seller, or your own misunderstanding of the game purchased.



If the developers hope to sell more games this way I think they will be disappointed.

Incorrect. Steam is a hugely successful platform that has been emulated by a few other companies. If you look at the current most profitable PC game, and also best-selling (World of Warcraft) it also has a serial and is bound to the person that buys it. Using your logic any old scrub can buy a game, finish it, download a patch so they don't need the CD, then sell the CD to someone else.



I only ever buy a new game when I know I can resell it later. If this option is taken away it just means I will buy far fewer games and none that require steam.

No you don't. You buy second hand games like the one you got shafted with. You just said so yourself. The developers and publishers make zero money from people like you so therefore feel no need to cater to you.



The game in question is Call of Duty Black ops. Based on the previous games it will take about 6 hours max to complete given an RRP of £54! That's circa £9 per hour not all that cheap when you look at the alternatives.

If it's too expensive, don't buy it. But from what I've heard it has a wealth of online options etc to keep you busy. Not to mention you've got a good developer behind it who will supply ongoing support, servers, content patches etc.



I mean going back to your music example. Does that mean it's illeagal for me to sell a record/tape or DVD?

No. And this is where you're misunderstanding where the T&Cs of Steam etc (owned by Valve IIRC) come into play. If you buy a DVD and you want to sell it then great. But if you buy something say, from iTunes and want to sell it then you can't. Look at Steam and similar platforms as a gaming version of iTunes...the fact that they give you a copy of the DVD/CD-ROM is just so you have something tangible and it makes the installation faster etc

I hope this helps.

shaun_from_Africa

Does that mean it's illeagal for me to sell a record/tape or DVD?

No, but what you can't legally do is to buy a tape or DVD, copy it on to your computer, then sell that DVD or tape to another person without deleting the copy you've made.

DeeMarie89

Flyboy152 wrote: »

One does not normally have access tot he internet when standing at the counter of a shop.

Yet if the T&C's are so important to a consumer and they want to e 100%, they can peruse games online, pick a game, check company T&C's, then purchase from their preferred vendor. Or buy an Internet phone

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I don't have any terms and conditions :huh:

However, one cannot see the terms and conditions until one has bought the game.

Apologies, meant to quote 'Arg' before the second part