Unfair/Illeagal ban of used software sales

Arg

DeeMarie89 wrote: »

Yet if the T&C's are so important to a consumer and they want to e 100%, they can peruse games online, pick a game, check company T&C's, then purchase from their preferred vendor. Or buy an Internet phone

If they want they license to be treated than something other than a joke then maybe people should have to read and sign at the counter before being able to buy the game.

Apologies, meant to quote 'Arg' before the second part

Inserting terms and conditions into my post wasn't much different from the way they inserted them into games.

shaun_from_Africa wrote:

No, but what you can't legally do is to buy a tape or DVD, copy it on to your computer, then sell that DVD or tape to another person without deleting the copy you've made.

We're talking about just selling it.

Arg

Proc wrote: »

I mean going back to your music example. Does that mean it's illeagal for me to sell a record/tape or DVD? No. And this is where you're misunderstanding where the T&Cs of Steam etc (owned by Valve IIRC) come into play. If you buy a DVD and you want to sell it then great. But if you buy something say, from iTunes and want to sell it then you can't. Look at Steam and similar platforms as a gaming version of iTunes...the fact that they give you a copy of the DVD/CD-ROM is just so you have something tangible and it makes the installation faster etc

There are games sold on the shelves like regular games that you need to use on Steam with so it's not the same.

Dave_C_2

George_Michael wrote: »

It must be really heartbreaking for all those people who have been prosecuted and found guilty of producing or selling counterfeit software, DVDs and music to suddenly realise that the judge was misinformed and it was only a myth that they were breaking the law.

You quoted me as saying:

This buying a licence stuff is just so much BS and perpetuating a myth from the games companies

Where the full quote was (my emphasis):

This buying a licence stuff is just so much BS and perpetuating a myth from the games companies. If you buy a game from Amazon, where is the blurb that warns you that you are only buying a single licence?

Note the use of the words buying and buy, at no point was I implying anything about piracy. Please don't quote out of context.

Dave

George_Michael

Dave_C wrote: »

You quoted me as saying:
Where the full quote was (my emphasis):
Note the use of the words buying and buy, at no point was I implying anything about piracy. Please don't quote out of context.

Dave

How can the quote be out of context when I posted a full sentence that you had written?
If I had only copied part of that sentence, then I agree it would have been misleading, but I didn't.

I stand 100% behind what I wrote in response to your opinion that buying a licence to use a game is BS.
I will ask again. If it is BS, why have people in various countries been prosecuted for breeching terms of that licence?

Flyboy152

DeeMarie89 wrote: »

Yet if the T&C's are so important to a consumer and they want to e 100%, they can peruse games online, pick a game, check company T&C's, then purchase from their preferred vendor. Or buy an Internet phone

But the terms and conditions are not what any normal person tends to worry about when buying games.

DeeMarie89

Flyboy152 wrote: »

But the terms and conditions are not what any normal person tends to worry about when buying games.

I agree, but if it is so very important to a buyer to be able to sell the game on, or to buy second hand, then it's probably worth checking it out.

Flyboy152

DeeMarie89 wrote: »

I agree, but if it is so very important to a buyer to be able to sell the game on, or to buy second hand, then it's probably worth checking it out.

Only if one is aware that such terms exist. Any normal person would assume, as they own the game, they can re-sell it to whomever they like.

DCodd

from what I can see this Steam is a site where you download games, a bit like iTunes but for Games? If that is the case then it is not Steam you have the issue with but the copyright holder as it will be the copyright holder that places restrictions on the content. Steam will be as restricted as you are when it comes to the selling on of games.

Dave_C_2

I note that our local branch of Tesco is now selling "pre-owned" PC games.

Maybe they are breaking a license agreement or two

Dave

esuhl

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING THE SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE SOFTWARE; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND, IF APPLICABLE.

As I said in my previous post, I remember reading about someone who did return an unopened medium containing software. Although I can't remember all the details, the person was (initially, at least) told by the shop that they were not a party to the licensing contract between the customer and the software provider and, as such, they were not compelled to issue a refund.

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

No, but what you can't legally do is to buy a tape or DVD, copy it on to your computer, then sell that DVD or tape to another person without deleting the copy you've made.

But that's only because you can't legally copy a tape or DVD to your computer (assuming all copyright rights have been reserved)!

If you make a copy and sell the original medium, you certainly haven't broken any additional laws or contracts (assuming there isn't a "no resale" clause in the licensing terms).