Suspended from work

thorsoak

harddy wrote: »

It was a mistake in the heat of the moment, and was a reaction to what I felt as an insult and that is "use your brains", am only human and the woman is evil.
As for your analogy about toddler, I would like to let you know that I am not her toddler, my social skills are fine. |You should try and understand the issue and also how humans react to what they see as insulting, and also understand that accidents do happen in the heat of the moement.

I did not mean that you are your manager's toddler - I was suggesting that if YOU had a toddler, would you like to hearing the child effing and jeffing? I suggested that you look at how you react to situations and moderate your language.

You say you reacted to an insult - "use your brains" cannot really be construed as such - and of course I cannot comment upon how evil the woman is - that is your perception. However, to use the defence "the woman is evil" will do you no good in a disciplinary hearing. You should base your defence upon the fact that accidents do happen in the heat of the moment.

BTW - I do understand how humans react to insults - and in a civilised society, one does not react to an insult by swearing at the boss - at least not if one wishes to keep the job. One buttons one's gob - and swears and kicks the wall after the boss has left the room

DVardysShadow

GothicStirling wrote: »

So, you hear one side of the story and assume that the manager isn't a good one? I haven't heard anything that the manager has done that isn't justifiable.

As far as I would be concerned, I couldn't trust the OP to not swear at a customer. His feet wouldn't have touched the ground in my business.

Neither do we know the OP's history. This might be the latest in a list of complaints against him and his employer has had enough.

What I say is of course subject to the OP having given a reasonably fair representation of the truth. And without internal inconsistencies in their story or across their posts in general, I don't see any reason to doubt. These forums just would not work if you started from a bare unfounded assumption that any and every OP was telling lies. As ever, advice given an opinions expressed are for the situation as described by an anonymous OP. As long as the advice is good for the situation as described, it is valid to give it. If an OP misleads us, it is still valid for the situation described - just not valid for the poster's real situation.

So unless you can point out something substantive which points to the OP misleading us, I am taking it at face value.

As for what the manager did being justifiable or whether the OP might swear at a customer, there are some assumptions there. First of all, we don't know whether the business has a customer facing side. Secondly, plenty of people can and do swear, but manage not to swear at customers.

So, assuming that this is a one off - and there is no reason to think otherwise, I would say a competent manager ought to deal with this on a one to one basis. And to paraphrase you, as far as I would be concerned, I couldn't trust the OP's manager to manage people. So in my business, she would be instructed to retain a sense of proportion and deal with this outside a formal disciplinary process, unless the situation developed or continued.

harddy

Just to add, my role is not a customer facing one, I do not deal with customers at all, I am a Repair Centre Engineer.
Again, I do acknowledge that I did not handle the situation in a proper manner, I will admit that, it is probably the way I am, I really see "use your brains" as a more powerful thing to say to someone who actually does his work in a very competent way, the manager knows that, I'd rather have her say "F***ing ..." to me than what she said, I am perhaps a bit different in the way I see things.
The word "f***" is used in our repair centre frequently, I was shocked when I joined the company to hear it very often and people aren't bothered, probably my language had a bit of an influence in the environement (again no excuse here), coming from a different background. the "F" word is used more often in Wales than in England I find!

patman99

As the 'F' word is in common use within the workplace, this can be used as a defense, as you were using 'workshop banter'. I used to work for a major player in the field of HVAC and we had a foreman who was rude, arrogant and derrogatory. The amount of times he got punched, sworn-at and pinned to the wall by his throat was unbelievable. The senior management always took the decision that it was his fault so no action was taken.

Harrdy, the best thing to do is next time one of your workmates asks for advice on a problem, tell them you're not interested and they should get the manager to sort it. That way, when things don't get done because the useless woman has no idea how to solve the problem in hand, it will be her whose actions come to the attention of the CEO, not yours.

Remember, they are managers, they are supposed to know the job inside-out. Act dumb, offer no assistance and she will soon come to the attention of those higher-up the food chain.

harddy

patman99 wrote: »

As the 'F' word is in common use within the workplace, this can be used as a defense, as you were using 'workshop banter'. I used to work for a major player in the field of HVAC and we had a foreman who was rude, arrogant and derrogatory. The amount of times he got punched, sworn-at and pinned to the wall by his throat was unbelievable. The senior management always took the decision that it was his fault so no action was taken.

Harrdy, the best thing to do is next time one of your workmates asks for advice on a problem, tell them you're not interested and they should get the manager to sort it. That way, when things don't get done because the useless woman has no idea how to solve the problem in hand, it will be her whose actions come to the attention of the CEO, not yours.

Remember, they are managers, they are supposed to know the job inside-out. Act dumb, offer no assistance and she will soon come to the attention of those higher-up the food chain.

Thank you Patman, Athough the outcome looks Bleak after reading all the feedback from the posters on here, I will go to the hearing and tell it as it is and see if the investigator has a bit of a common sense and hope he is not biased (chances are he will be), and perhaps swallow the decision and try and move on somehow though difficult this will be. I just want to know weather I can negociate if dismissed? as in would I be given the option to resign? and what are my chances of me getting a good reference for my future job? is this something I can negociate?

anamenottaken

patman99 wrote: »

Remember, they are managers, they are supposed to know the job inside-out. Act dumb, offer no assistance and she will soon come to the attention of those higher-up the food chain.

Actually, managers are supposed to know their own jobs not "inside out" the jobs of everyone they manage.

Others do work for me. I know the result I want and that they can provide it. I expect them to have the expertise on how to get that result. That's their job, not mine. I don't know how they do it though, if there is a problem, I could suggest possible ways of tackling it. It is that latter stage which the OP's manager may not be prepared to work on.